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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1608992, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707007047062179840']2h2 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] theDude's arguments have been persuasive: no ACCN leaves them open 2 Big12/B1G raid. What do they do? [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707007591352823808']2h2 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] Bowlsby & ACC have tied for Ostrich of the Year award. Bowlsby, thx 2 Boren, FINALLY woke up recently [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707008334487019521']2h2 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] It's difficult for me to believe ACC won't try to avoid inclusion on Wikipedia's defunct leagues page [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] You think the ACC isnt trying? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707015599466143745']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] If you google the discovery docs in Maryland V ACC you can read a redacted version of the ACC's media assessment. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707015816504590336']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] ESPN's liquid assets are tied up in SECN, NBA & NFL rights. 1/3 [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707016056133558273']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] So giving back content to the ACC only to pAy more for the same rights isn't economically feasible. 2/2 [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707016243837067265']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] The advantage the B12 has over ACC is, as odd as it sounds, LHN. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707016516445798400']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] No startup costs for converting LHN to B12N & it turns the LHN loss into a B12N profit especially with expansion. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707017530800472064']56m56 minutes ago[/URL] Texas isn't about to give up LHN unless the B12 GoR is extended to match term of LHN contract at the minimum. [URL='https://twitter.com/85bevo'][B]greg[/B] ‏@85bevo [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/85bevo/status/707017733456601088']58m58 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] do you blame [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/85bevo']@85bevo[/URL] No. I don't. Nobody can blame them. UT will have sacra the Big 12 twice. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707017728385814528']56m56 minutes ago[/URL] That means at least 4 years added to the GoR and maybe as many as 10. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707018087141416960']55m55 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] ESPN losses are over $60M on LHN & climbing. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707018328481595392']54m54 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] What can the ACC do? Hope Texas or ESPN/Fox get cold feet? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707018538117144576']53m53 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] IMHO the ACC could boast revenues immediately by contracting. Dropping the deadweight. [URL='https://twitter.com/hmpersinger3'][B]Mo Persinger[/B] ‏@hmpersinger3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/hmpersinger3/status/707022677370933249']42m42 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] but ur saying the Big12 can prosper by adding deadweight? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707022813316718594']41m41 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/hmpersinger3']@hmpersinger3[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] If the B1G can do it. So can the B12. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707017898183806977']59m59 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] What is best ACC response at this point? And are they really thirds good at being quiet or have I just not heard, very possible [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] You can ask [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] how nervous the ACC is about the B12N. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707020860507475969']47m47 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] I believe ACC has more to be worried about than Big12. Given article on PAC12NET 2 weeks ago I see Big12 #3 [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707021055861374976']47m47 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] B12 already #3 in terms of revenue disbursed. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707022352828211200']42m42 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] That will fluctuate some due to playoff & & NCAA tourney $ but, because of inflation, that final payout is devalued. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B]‏@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] ACC eliminates deadweight (who?) but then do they try to add stronger program back? Who? UCF/USF other Big12 possibles? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707020706668810240']51m51 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Stay at 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] According to docs submitted by MD the ACC's revenues are flat until the final year. They get (now) $22m. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707026603046510592']29m29 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/hmpersinger3']@hmpersinger3[/URL] What do you see final year projections with the four most likely expansion partners that you can envision? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] that formula is generally accepted as a good ballpark valuation. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707027921681129474']22m22 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Dodd used an insanely low in market carriage fee. SECN & BTN get double that out of market. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707028061506707456']22m22 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] $1 per in market subscriber is more realistic but still conservative. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707001075702898688']2h2 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/BYU?src=hash']#BYU[/URL] Dennis, great article. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] has had same conjecture. Rumblings ACC launches their NET preemptively? [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs'][B]Dennis Dodd[/B] ‏@dennisdoddcbs [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/707028868507389952']21m21 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Doesn't matter. ACC likely to pass Big 12 in revenue per school. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] How? Without an ACCN they have $22M in TV money. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707029356670021632']20m20 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] According to the MD - ACC lawsuit that $22M does not escalate until final year of TV deal. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707030097690300416']17m17 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs']@dennisdoddcbs[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/CBSSports']@CBSSports[/URL] Add that $22M was originally $17M. ESPN added money a few times. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707031333344825344']12m12 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] By the way the carriage fee Dodd used was for avg fee when in-mrkt & out-mrkt are combined. $0.60 a good estimate. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707031985701691393']9m9 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Bowlsby didn't fight expansion. The B12's primary TV contract doesn't add extra money for expansion. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707032158599307264']8m8 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Only the possibility of a network makes expansion feasible for the Big 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707032946235023360']7m7 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] I've agreed with you on everything UNTIL now. I'm outsider looking in, with BYU & BSU bias. To me, Bowlsby said no until Boren [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] It was Texas. Bowlsby isn't a strong leader. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707034355575685120']1m1 minute ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Agreed on both counts. But Texas is Texas and won't change significantly. Again, though, is Bowlsby right guy? IMO hes PARROT [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707034768232325120']58s58 seconds ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] That's why Boren & Gee acted. Because Texas is now reasonable. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707034626062217216']1m1 minute ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Texas HAS changed. Powers & Dodds are gone. Fenves & Perrin are far more reasonable & want the B12 to last. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707033438243692546']6m6 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Maybe you can clear this up, at times its been stated TV contract would add additional monies for additional schools? Yes/no? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] It adds money to maintain the payout. It does not add additional revenue for the 10 current members. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707033864946978817']5m5 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Thanks, that's an important clarification. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707034371723804672']3m3 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Loss would be $2m & up per current 10 members with 2 added. That's $18M over the 9 years remaining. [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc'][B]Dun Woody[/B] ‏@dun1870gc [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc/status/707035982890143744']5m5 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] If u think urhappy, imagine how happy BYU fans are. Dodds SEEMED 2b completely opposed 2 BYU. Glad TX wants a strong B12 future [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707036689512980480']1m1 minute ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] Think about life in the B12 for Texas & OU versus anyplace else. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@theDudeofWV [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/707036846375698432']49s49 seconds ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/dun1870gc']@dun1870gc[/URL] TV revenue should be less than 40% of total budget of your program. [/QUOTE]

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