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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1539495, member: 5174"] John Solomon@johnsolomoncbs Pac-12 tables NCAA proposal to allow athletes to profit off their name for non-athletic business ventures [URL='https://post original url/3XkdYuiqvK']http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25446855/ncaa-convention-preview-concern-over-players-profiting-off-their-names…[/URL] Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] Jon, if the SEC isn't opposed to the B12 having a CCG with 10 & no members why are they voting against the legislation? John Solomon@johnsolomoncbs [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Pretty sure SEC supports the latest B1G amendment: 10 members, round robin, no divisions. SEC doesn't want total deregulation. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] Sankey has said he isn't against a B12 CCG w 10 & no divisions. So I'm curious what concerns the SEC? John Solomon@johnsolomoncbs [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Not sure I'm following you. This latest amendment wasn't on the table when Sankey spoke Sunday. My guess is he will support it. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] But if you mean Sankey opposes the B1G amendment but not the legislation. Itself then it makes sense. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] I'm trying to find out why Sankey had spoken for the amendment previously. spartypants@WACspartypants [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] CCG deregulation comes down to Pac-12 support. Whichever way they go will decide spartypants@WACspartypants [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] don't think you had sec opposed last I looked Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] don't think they do. SEC doesn't want the B12 to expand. Especially into SEC territory. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] SEC & B1G not worried about expansion. Cincy, UConn, who cares? AAC only conference at risk. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] SEC doesn't want Big 12 in Florida. At least they didn't want them in Fla with FSU. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] no ACC school will ever consider B12. Texas might eventually bail to ACC if (when) OU bolts Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Your statement about no ACC schools leaving for the Big 12 was almost as ignorant as your statement about Texas joining the ACC. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Big 12 unstable. When TV contract runs out, all bets off. OU has made it very clear they'll bolt the first chance they get. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Clear? How? You know how that started? A few idiots heard the news about the B1G evaluating OU in 2011 & jumped to conclusions. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] As a matter of fact Dave Boren was a driving force behind the B12 GoR & is now the primary power broker in the Big 12. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] OU doesn't want in the SEC, B1G or Pac 12. They want a strong Big 12. Boren's on record saying that & his desire to have a network Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Yeah right. He'd pass up a chance to join CIC. ROFL Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Yet the ACC has the lowest revenues of the P5 and the weakest SoS. Several key schools - FSU & UNC - have revenue problems. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] FSU is a research university. Nexus with Duke, UNC, Virginia, far more important and larger part of revenue than athletics Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] And private schools like Pitt are losing between 4-6 million each year on football. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Plus 80% of ACC football viewers watch FSU & Clemson. The other 12 have the lowest combined TV ratings - even behind AAC. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] We'll let things play out over the next decade. I'm 99% sure you have a homers opinion of the B12 that will be proven wrong Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The Big Ten amendment is to stop the ACC from going to pods & arranging a FSU-Clemson CCG every year. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] FSU was awarded more than $252.548m in total research expenditures. That almost triples athletics, funds profs. >> atheltics Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] I suggest you go back to 2012 and view Jim Smith's speech to the FSU board about athletic funding. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] West Virginia will be a G5 school Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/WACspartypants']@WACspartypants[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS']@JonSolomonCBS[/URL] The Big 12 turned down FSU because of the TV contract & the SEC Sugar Bowl deal. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The ACC is the Big East plus FSU & Clemson. FSU wants out & will leave if the ACCN doesn't happen. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] FSU would accept SEC and maybe B1G, but not B12. Presidents make that decision not ADs. research nexus outweighs athletics Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] We'll let things play out over the next decade. I'm 99% sure you have a homers opinion of the B12 that will be proven wrong Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The Big Ten amendment is to stop the ACC from going to pods & arranging a FSU-Clemson CCG every year. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] I suggest you go back to 2012 and view Jim Smith's speech to the FSU board about athletic funding. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Funny... what has the ACC done for FSU. The last time I checked in 2012 the answer was nothing. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] West Virginia will be a G5 school by 2030 Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] FSU has already cut the athletic budget across the board. Stuart Waugh@sg2waugh [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] So has Cal. All P5 schools not breaking even is the result of poor budget control. Not of lack of revenue Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The man at FSU who wanted to leave for the Big 12 is still there and he has more power than ever - Jimbo Fisher. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The only ACC school with self-support athletics is NCST. Whereas 6 of 10 Big 12 schools are self supporting. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] Really? have you seen Pitt's attendance numbers? What about BC? Wake? Duke plays in a high school stadium. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] FSU's academic success & the inability to support athletics with academic money makes it MORE likely FSU leaves. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] but not for Big 12. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] It royally pisses me off when someone like you with a peripheral understanding of expansion, asserts fiction is indeed fact. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] And the Big 12 has actually helped WVU with research projects and funding. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The Big 12 is also a much stronger football conference. Much stronger. It also has 3 AAU schools. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The current gap between the B12 and ACC is $12M and will grow. $12M a year is a lot for a school with a limited alumni base. Christopher Lambert@thedudeofwv [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh']@sg2waugh[/URL] The Big 12 turned FSU down. But if ACCN doesn't happen why wouldn't FSU leave? ME: Classic Dude! :D:p [/QUOTE]

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