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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1522363, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681678939421540353']2h2 hours ago[/URL] I don't think it's realistic for Big 12 to expand by more than 2. Presidents tend to want bare minimum movement. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681679622971469824']2h2 hours ago[/URL] We should assume that there are 2 spots in the Big 12 at most and that will be it for P5 expansion for a generation. [URL='https://twitter.com/mickwithtwins'][B]Mickey Scott[/B]‏@mickwithtwins[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/SIPeteThamel']@SIPeteThamel[/URL] could XII add 4 teams and see TV value? UC SDST BYU & BSU? Adds markets and brands. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681681043573878785']1h1 hour ago[/URL] In theory, yes, but if you're on outside looking in, you hope for Big 12 expansion by 4 or 6. Not realistic, though. [URL='https://twitter.com/JRC_'][B]Randall.[/B]‏@JRC_[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] Big question is: Are B12's expansion options (i.e., BYU, Cincy, Memphis, etc.) palatable to Texas or OU? [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681681539634212864']1h1 hour ago[/URL] That's the billion dollar question. OU has been more publicly open to expansion. Texas has many diverging interests [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681682120654368768']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Maximizing short-term revenue for UT and OU = no Big 12 expansion. Long-term league stability = Big 12 expansion. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681682370496491520']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Notre Dame will not be shut out of the playoffs for not being in a conference. Popular thought, but simply untrue. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681682668782759939']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Neither the Big Ten nor SEC want *anything* to do with ND joining the ACC and empowering a direct geographic rival. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681683007208591360']1h1 hour ago[/URL] One of my pet peeves in realignment talk is the thought of Notre Dame being "forced" to join a league. It's completely untrue. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681683273471422464']1h1 hour ago[/URL] No conference wants Notre Dame to join *a* league. They want ND to join *their* league. Otherwise, they want ND to stay independent. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681683715941134337']1h1 hour ago[/URL] It's a disadvantage in the same way that the Big 12 is at a disadvantage w/o a CCG. It's not a concrete wall, though [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681684177251635200']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Plus, I deal with a lot of Domers. Independence is a *mentality* for them beyond TV money. No reasoning with them. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681684177251635200']1h1 hour ago[/URL] OU would leave for B1G, SEC or Pac-12 in a heartbeat and they'd all invite OU *alone*. Issue is tie to Oklahoma St. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681685384980500480']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Unless there is an actual structural rule that you HAVE to be a conference champ to make the playoff, Notre Dame is NOT joining a league. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681685833016045568']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Low probability of not making the playoff does not cut it with ND's alums re: independence. They have to have a 0% chance by rule to change. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681686083940257793']1h1 hour ago[/URL] As I've explained, a rule locking out independents from the playoff won't occur b/c both B1G and SEC do NOT want ND joining the ACC. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681686083940257793']1h1 hour ago[/URL] I deal with Domers everyday. Independence is NOT about football. It's a school *identity*. They are insane about it. [URL='https://twitter.com/tsnmike'][B]Michael DeCourcy[/B]‏@tsnmike[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] Also, would be in courts 5 minutes after rule passed [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681687053323649025']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Exactly. Making CFP access for independents and G5 really difficult is one thing. Closing access entirely is another [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681689934634192896']1h1 hour ago[/URL] I think the ACC has solid ties. No poaching power like B1G and SEC, but schools genuinely like ACC (unlike Big 12). [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681691340862652416']59m59 minutes ago[/URL] As a B1G guy, I'd love to see UVA, UNC, GT & FSU jump here. It's just a lot tougher to poach ACC compared to Big 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681691937888272384']57m57 minutes ago[/URL] FWIW, I think UVA would be most realistic target for B1G from ACC. UNC harder to poach b/c of Texas-like influence. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681692686122758144']54m54 minutes ago[/URL] It's a catch-22. ACC only dies if UNC leaves, but UNC won't leave unless the ACC is dead. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681693119356645376']53m53 minutes ago[/URL] Duke is *extremely* valuable. B1G and SEC would take UNC/Duke combo immediately. Not the same as OU/OSU. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681693630092840960']52m52 minutes ago[/URL] In fact, both the B1G and SEC would take Duke by itself. Duke basketball is what ND FB was for prior generations. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681694026957893632']50m50 minutes ago[/URL] Hoops matter very little (and I say that as a hoops guy), but UNC and Duke are 2 schools that are key in that front. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681694230704590848']50m50 minutes ago[/URL] From B1G view, getting into North Carolina is big for football for long-term demographic growth and recruiting. [URL='https://twitter.com/ColbyDigsSoil'][B]Colby Moorberg[/B]‏@ColbyDigsSoil[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/BunkerF16']@BunkerF16[/URL] You underestimate the impact the NC congress would have if UNC would try to leave the same conference as NCSU. [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681694763276341248']49m49 minutes ago[/URL] Oh, I personally don't think UNC is moving from ACC at all. Texas is much more likely to leave Big 12 by comparison. [URL='https://twitter.com/BunkerF16'][B]BunkerF16[/B]‏@BunkerF16[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] No way B1G takes Duke by itself....CBB nowhere near $$ CFB is..I can see UNC/Duke, B1G would rather UNC and GT (ATL market) [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681695208136822789']47m47 minutes ago[/URL] If the Big Ten would take Rutgers for a TV market, they would take Duke for *many* reasons. Not a doubt in my mind. [URL='https://twitter.com/JabbsNNJ'][B]NC[/B]‏@JabbsNNJ[/URL] What are the reasons? [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681699401358819329']32m32 minutes ago[/URL] Elite academics, #1 national TV hoops draw, large state delivered for BTN, great recruiting area for both FB and BB [URL='https://twitter.com/sg2waugh'][B]tuart Waugh[/B]‏@sg2waugh[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] Can't see Duke being first ACC school to move. Somebody else has to break the seal. B1G/SEC must pick another strategically [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681700239116529665']30m30 minutes ago[/URL] I agree, although if I were Jim Delany, I'd send out feelers for a UVA/Duke combo. [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan'][B]Adam Gold[/B] ‏@AGoldFan [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan/status/681700802872737792']29m29 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] what in the heck makes you think any ACC team is leaving let alone Duke? I love expansion talk, too. But please. [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan'][B]Adam Gold[/B] ‏@AGoldFan [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan/status/681702254181650432']24m24 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] and then you thought Delany should send out feelers for a UVA-Duke combo. Again, I LOVE this game of Risk, too. But, c'mon [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan'][B]Adam Gold[/B] ‏@AGoldFan [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/AGoldFan/status/681702777374965760']22m22 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111']@frankthetank111[/URL] Grant of Rights should end any speculation. Plus, the league I'd say was most vulnerable to poachers would be the B12 [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111'][B]Frank the Tank[/B] ‏@frankthetank111 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/681701521080344576']27m27 minutes ago[/URL] I personally don't think anyone from the ACC is leaving. Just responding about value of Duke. [/QUOTE]

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