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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1220782, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] @flugempire [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564836278122721280']5h 5 hours ago [/URL] If reports are true that Big 12 wrestling is expanding to include North Dakota St that is great news for our neighbor to the West [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] @flugempire [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564836998548946944']5h 5 hours ago [/URL] It will be interesting to hear what Iowa St. and OU/OKST think about this expansion. It's good news overall for D1 wrestling [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14'][B]Matt Wyers[/B] ‏@[B]mkw_14[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564682690205859841']16h16 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@[B]flugempire[/B][/URL] Do you think they are holding out in the event the ACC have defections in the not too distant future? [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B]‏@[B]flugempire[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564847159179100160']5h5 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14']@[B]mkw_14[/B][/URL] UT is not ready to leave its neighbors....OU not ready to leave UT [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14'][B]Matt Wyers[/B] ‏@[B]mkw_14[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564876446766989312']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@[B]flugempire[/B][/URL] I mean holding out as it relates to expanded in the here and now... [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14'][B]Matt Wyers[/B] ‏@[B]mkw_14[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564876722869637122']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@[B]flugempire[/B][/URL] They could add UCF, Cincinnati, or others at any time... [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14'][B]Matt Wyers[/B] ‏@[B]mkw_14[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564878005177425921']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@[B]flugempire[/B][/URL] But it might behoove them to wait and see if programs like FSU, Clemson or the like become available in the near future. [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14'][B]Matt Wyers[/B] ‏@[B]mkw_14[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564878163298492416']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@[B]flugempire[/B][/URL] Or do you think they have another motivation for not expanding at this time? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564899085606326274']1h1 hour ago[/URL] By the time the B12N is a reality everyone will have internet capable smart TVs and the Big 12 will be available thru your provider or sub. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B]‏@[B]flugempire[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564912845163606016']24m24 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Big 12 needs to increase footprint to provide the turbine engines of the conference to prosper...to takeoff. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B]‏@[B]flugempire[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564913369808109570']22m22 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Big 12 has a fantastic fan base. Dude of WV is correct. But it's just too small to force better tv value in future [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B]‏@[B]flugempire[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/564913957992144897']20m20 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Go get BYU...go get UCF...spread Big 12 brand into Florida... Big 12 new tv contract 10+ years is going to be worthless w/o exp [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564880706342375424']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] The current administrations at both Texas and Oklahoma are 100% committed to the Big 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564880974089969664']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] Before you jump on the tweet about UT & OU read it carefully. Notice the wording.... [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881055383961601']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] Expansion, as I've said many times before, isn't on the Big 12 radar. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881134035562496']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] Nobody is worried about the playoffs. Nary a school supports expansion. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881232152903680']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] The Big 12 does believe the Big Ten will make an attempt to lure schools from the ACC next year. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881400856207360']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] I've said over and over again that the Big Ten thinks it can overcome the ACC GoR. I don't see how but they think its possible. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881495219662848']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] The hook seems to be the ACCN and the fact that ACC schools were not paid for the GoR at fair market rate. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881950570057728']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] So if that happens the Big 12 will make a pitch to the best values remaining. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564881972321714177']3h 3 hours ago [/URL] That's a big if... [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564882741481582592']2h 2 hours ago [/URL] So why are UT & OU committed to the Big 12. The answer is simple. More $ to be made in the Big 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564883117580636160']2h 2 hours ago [/URL] Why? Because the Big 12 TV will be redone before the others. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564897425106538498']1h 1 hour ago [/URL] Almost forgot the most important part. Big 12 Network is coming too. Not today... not in 6 years.. but's its coming. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] @theDudeofWV [/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564898886766960642']1h 1 hour ago [/URL] Distribution model for b12N will have options... Pay as you go, mobile, cable, app... [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear'][B]Garrett Weiss[/B] ‏@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear/status/564899295321923584']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] probably the soonest the big12 may expand right ? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564899670493638657']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear']@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B][/URL] There are other scenarios where it could happen. [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear'][B]Garrett Weiss[/B] ‏@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear/status/564900691962249220']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] I'm guessing if the big10 decides to expand [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901202932928515']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear']@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B][/URL] Unless somebody can explain to me how the ACC GoR will be circumvented I find it doubtful. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901253361065984']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear']@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B][/URL] Nobody in the ACC is desperate enough. [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564899649316593664']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Can't the B1G only take two more teams from the ACC? That would put them at 16... [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564899842313289728']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] The Big Ten will add as long as they can profit. I really think 16 is the limit though. [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564900311953707008']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] I don't see how a 12 team ACC plus Notre Dame becomes unstable enough for the Big 12 to start poaching [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564900581899132929']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] Take away UVA & GT. Then the SEC adds UNC & VT. How long does FSU stay in the ACC? [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564900992500527104']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] B1G is likely to take GT and VT for academics and footprint, sure. Is it really possible for the Tobacco Road schools to split? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901409489838080']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] Ask [URL='https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter']@[B]_andrewcarter[/B][/URL]. Now that there is a P5 would it be so bad. Duke could be a OoC game. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901588930531328']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear']@[B]StrengthOfSpear[/B][/URL] Remember there has to be great opportunity & great need. Nobody in the ACC has great need. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564900846043815938']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] Ask [URL='https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter']@[B]_andrewcarter[/B][/URL] if UNC is happy with ACC revenues. They can't stand the thought of NC State moving to the SEC. [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564901370965139456']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter']@[B]_andrewcarter[/B][/URL] Would Clemson have a good chance at getting into the SEC? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901707981660160']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter']@[B]_andrewcarter[/B][/URL] I would say not if the SEC is expanding for money because of duplication of market. [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564901985535553536']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Good point. In state rivalry with SCAR would be cool, but it's all about the money [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564902261810147328']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] I still think, and this is my opinion. The P5 doesn't change but the Big 12 expands in 2018-2020 at the behest of Fox. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564902399844687872']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] If that happens then Cincy and UCF are in... [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B] ‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901045961117696']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] And a guy in NCST's athletic department told me personally that NC ST would leave the SEC in a NY minute for an SEC invite [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson'][B]Kyle Jacobson[/B] ‏@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564901646967111680']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@[B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] Very, very, very, interesting [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏@[B]theDudeofWV[/B] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901859236659200']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson']@[B]_KyleJacobson[/B][/URL] 99% chance nothing happens except maybe a ACC school decides it can't afford to be in P5. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/564901045961117696'] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/_KyleJacobson/status/564900311953707008'] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/StrengthOfSpear/status/564900691962249220'] [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mkw_14/status/564876722869637122'] [/URL] [/QUOTE]

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