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[Dann]

for those with the slim hope that the contract being jan 1st $ wise had a ounce of a chance being the issue. 11 months to go!!!!! horay!!!!! warde doesn't have to do for 11 months!!! horay!!!!

 

[mattp]

give it a rest already

 

[Dann]

give it a rest already

i just want to make sure were all clear here. bc, temple and cuse will all lose there HC's this winter and will fill in the slots with coaches not good enough for uconn right? and also we will some how not get 1 recruit to flip post HC's leaving from any of these schools? ok. things are great here. warde is the best! didn't u see him give ko that contract? hes a rockstar! horay warde! yay football sucking fat cock! big easy horayyyy!!!!!

the time was months ago to make several moves, and gear up a b10 resume that couldn't be denied. instead we are treading water as more acc schools start to look around and were falling lower and lower on that dam list of potential adds JD has.

meanwhile everyone here plays the 3 year rule and blah blah this and that instead of seeing the urgency that needed to happen. i love how ppl here can freak out about CR but are ok with the next year of fball on the table right now.
happy brew year becuase thats the only reason ppl will be at the rent this fall.

 

[junglehusky]

Just because some of us think PP will not get UConn to a bowl next year and the staff will be replaced about this time next year, doesn't mean that we're "ok" with another losing year. Quite to the contrary.

 

[Dann]

then do something about it. can't u see thats how the ko deal got done? some of us here have been on it since before jc fell off the dam bike but it took all us fans to keep bitching and moaning and eventually the media caught on and then the national media. thats why the ko deal got done other wise warde would have sta longer on his thumb.

in fball some here have been going nutz and when it started to escalate to the media some of the media shot it down and some ppl packed it in as result. now the national media will never care. the result is not enough pressure on the school and things stay as is. if we had everyone here not listen to dez or wardes stupid ecxuse of a talk with p and instead got some one national media wise to carry on, that pr damage would have doen the trick. we couldn't go a bball game without dickie v and andy fat kats talking about the issue that needed to be adressed. our bball is big time so ppl notice and wnat things from it. our fball isn't that level yet so it was on the fans and ppl who care to press the issue and ppl here threw in the towel at first chance like . the damage will take years to recover and possibly cost us our nice spot on jim delanys top 5 gets list he keeps under his .

mark may is never going to care about our fball staff becuase uconn won't be big time enough to him before he dies. uconn bball on the other hand is at that level so any katz and crew have to care and talk about it. see the difference? we can't let our program rot in football hell becuase of a assclown ad. we already let that happen once here already, remember hathaway? he tried to kill us by not doing anything marketing, money or instutional. it hurt us and is to this day. now warde is here and hes not doing jack so far either. if any of u honestly give a rats ass about some girl power ncaa meeting that he attends then u need to be shot. the hourse he wastes at one of those i would kill for a uconn ad who ssat his ask at a desk and read wikipedia 101 marketing for god sakes.

 

[Krugs17]

Your a nut job

 

[Dann]

Your a nut job

thank u

 

[junglehusky]

The fans and the media may have had an effect on the KO deal but I suspect that it was WM's plan all along to wait for the grades. If there was any effect my guess is it sped things up maybe a couple weeks. You are free to think otherwise, but I'm not going to go out of my way to have UConn's name dragged in the mud in the national media just in the hopes it speeds up a coaching change.

 

[pj]

He does need to build up the football program, market it, get fans excited, get us as successful on the field as he can. The football program is just not an asset at the moment, it's dragging down an otherwise great university and athletic program.

 

[junglehusky]

He does need to build up the football program, market it, get fans excited, get us as successful on the field as he can. The football program is just not an asset at the moment, it's dragging down an otherwise great university and athletic program.

Agreed. No argument from me here, I just think this process is a multi-year process, not a six month project with a Big Ten invite already in the mail.

 

[Dann]

just like recruiting, u can be negatively recruited. acc schools love to point out to recruit that uconn is in a lower league. uconn and uva were the next step for the b10. every day warde sta on his ass no matter what u guys think was the right way/time line, acc schools were getting antsy about the acc and calling the b10. the more that did the more options the b10 now has and when those schools find out who was on the b10s list they all say uconn? well uva makes a lot of sense but hey we got here that uconn is not as good at as us blah blah oh and don't u see whats going on up there right now jim? they got a new ad whos things up and then they tell him all about warde and his french vanilla coffee aproach to college sports. and then when the b10 goes to add uva and uconn and its not uconn, i hope all of u are real happy with warde. thats what i'm worried about and why i want action months ago on everything that needs to be done from the fball coach down to a hashtag.

 

[junglehusky]

I'm sure coaches are negatively recruiting against UConn (and everybody else). I'm sure they'll use the conference situation against us. I have a really hard time believing they think they can tell recruits about how our AD is a donut eating doofus and the recruits will care or buy it. They might care about or buy the possibility that PP (and the rest of the staff that's recruiting them) will get canned in a year, or that our schedule in 2014+ will suck, or that our TV situation is up in the air or that our fans are "french vanilla" in terms of supporting the program. So I think we as a fanbase can concentrate on those problems instead of inventing fantasies based on other fantasies based on twitter rumors based on tea leaves.

 

[Dann]

I'm sure coaches are negatively recruiting against UConn (and everybody else). I'm sure they'll use the conference situation against us. I have a really hard time believing they think they can tell recruits about how our AD is a donut eating doofus and the recruits will care or buy it. They might care about or buy the possibility that PP (and the rest of the staff that's recruiting them) will get canned in a year, or that our schedule in 2014+ will suck, or that our TV situation is up in the air or that our fans are "french vanilla" in terms of supporting the program. So I think we as a fanbase can concentrate on those problems instead of inventing fantasies based on other fantasies based on twitter rumors based on tea leaves.

i'm talking about schools jockeying positions trying to get the b10 invite and was using recruiting as a simple comparison. i prob didn't come across correctly. my bad. we were in a good spot not to long ago. things were quiet and we were active with ruty. then we flunked our fball program and warde did nothing about it. our issues at the time were everything from kos contract and the fball program and so on and add to that the uva president issue and the b10 put the brakes on and added 2 teams instead of 4. we were in good shape and wardes inactiveness helped curve JD's mind that maybe he should hold off on uconn and uva becuase both have some issues. if it was just the uva pres, then maybe he goes thru with it becuase its not such a hot mess that 1 of the 4 teams has a issue. now 2 of the 4 looks to ugly perception wise. get it? so uconn is still high on the list with uva and its a matter of time.

now tho, with spots open other acc teams are going to sniff around and try to get in. look at gtech and unc for examples. now uconn doesn't match up as well. we do in fact bring great tv number no matter how many ppl here say we dont have nyc or boston and all that crap. JD wanted uconn and ruty so the b10 can own nyc in the future as thats vauable to the b10N. problem is schools like unc are syaing well our tv stats are xzy and we can do this and that. now look at uconn, the ad isn't hiring the bball coach, they may never recover and look at fball its dying and so on. other schools are negatively recruiting against uconn for a b10 invite. every day warde is here we are ourselves harder. susan is doing all she can on her side but she doesn't understand the sports side of it.

 

[Fishy]

Honestly, you need to post less.

The Big Ten has not made one single overture towards UConn - we're not on their radar and never have been. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Susan Herbst is not pushing UConn's academics forward in order to impress the Big Ten or anyone else - she's doing it because she's the president of a university. You did know that there was a university attached to our football program, didn't you?

 

[Dann]

There u have it folks. Knock down the rent and fire geno. Were boston university south.

 

[Adios]

The Big Ten has not made one single overture towards UConn - we're not on their radar and never have been. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The B1G definitely has not made any overtures towards UConn, to my knowledge, but how do you get the impression we have never been on their radar?

 

[junglehusky]

Again... I say this is a 5-10 year process, so how we "look" in terms of football in 2012 is not a factor to the B1G. I think we're on their radar (as in on a long list, not short list) but only if they don't make any moves for 5 years. If they would have gone to 16 in 2012 or the next couple years, it wouldn't matter what our football record is because they're going to take somebody else first anyways. I believed that before and I will continue to believe it until I see credible (i.e., non messageboard, non-CR tweep) evidence that UConn is high on their list. But I will also continue to believe that Uconn should make a five year plan for athletics and academics to be in position down the road. Also, I am very confident that if the Big Ten moves to 16+ in the next year and UConn isn't invited, it will not be because of what Warde Manuel did or did not do with respect to the football staff in 2012. It will be overall football and athletic track record, and it will be potential for future success, stadium expansion, market growth beyond the term of the current football coach and AD. It should be obvious, when the Big Ten invites a school they're looking at them for life, not a decade or two like other conferences might. They added Rutgers University, not Tim Pernetti and Kyle Flood. Tim Pernetti and Bob Mulcahey and their presidents helped get them to the point they are now, and that's what we need SH and WM to do. Long term project.

(and... it's worth remembering that no team is leaving the ACC until Maryland's exit fee is resolved. That's what's holding the next B10 expansion back).

However it is worth re-noting that it is on the record that UConn's short term football record and lackluster fan support was a factor for Louisville getting picked over us, along with geography (markets be damned), to the ACC. Could WM have tried to position UConn to be more attractive to the ACC by firing PP mid-year? Realistically, I just don't think it would have made us any more attractive. I just don't see it. The plateaued trajectory of the program, the fan apathy, the academics of the MBB team, and years of less than stellar fundraising are 100% traceable to Jeff Hathaway's reign of mediocrity. Unfortunately we can't kick him around anymore so I guess the next best thing is to bash Warde. Meanwhile in 2013 if fans don't buy tickets and we see a 60% empty Rentschler in the 3rd quarter against Michigan how do you think the ACC and BigTen will view UConn?

 

[Huskygamble19]

i just want to make sure were all clear here. bc, temple and cuse will all lose there HC's this winter and will fill in the slots with coaches not good enough for uconn right? and also we will some how not get 1 recruit to flip post HC's leaving from any of these schools? ok. things are great here. warde is the ****ing best! didn't u see him give ko that contract? hes a ****ing rockstar! horay warde! yay football sucking fat rooster! big easy horayyyy!!!!!

the time was months ago to make several moves, and gear up a b10 resume that couldn't be denied. instead we are treading water as more acc schools start to look around and were falling lower and lower on that dam list of potential adds JD has.

meanwhile everyone here plays the 3 year rule and blah blah this and that instead of seeing the urgency that needed to happen. i love how ppl here can freak out about CR but are ok with the next year of fball on the table right now.
happy brew year becuase thats the only reason ppl will be at the rent this fall.

Icould understand the 3 year rule up to a point, but he wasn't his hire so why would that still apply to PP. If I was just coming into the program I would want my own HC to run the team. Methinks that WM has no clue on who to put in to coach so he just goes along with PP holding the reigns. shows real leadership in all aspects. Guess we will muddle through another boring season with piss poor fan attendance and a brooding PP on the sidelines. Happy New Year!

 

[uconnflyer88]

Icould understand the 3 year rule up to a point, but he wasn't his hire so why would that still apply to PP. If I was just coming into the program I would want my own HC to run the team. Methinks that WM has no clue on who to put in to coach so he just goes along with PP holding the reigns. shows real leadership in all aspects. Guess we will muddle through another boring season with piss poor fan attendance and a brooding PP on the sidelines. Happy New Year!

If he comes in and fires PP right away what does that say to other prospective head coaches.....hey we'll give you a year and if you don't take us to a BCS game you're fired....no he is giving PP some time to do his thing and if it doesn't work out then he is gone and it tells other coaches that they will be allowed time to build a program and not be expected to fabricate a powerhouse in 7 months...it is a 15 - 20 year process

 

[Fishy]

We did not make the initial screening list the Big Ten worked off of when they started to think expansion in 2008 or 2009 - we have not climbed onto their long, short or medium list in the interim. I wish that was not the case, but it is.

Hard to see that changing - if the Big Ten has two spots to fill, and whether they fill those spots now, five years or ten years down the road, there's little reason to think that they'll want UConn. Smallish market, not contiguous, no AAU (at present), etc. (Please, please don't say that we bring the NYC market...it sounds just as stupid when we say it as it does when RU or SU fans say it.)

Unless the Big 12 has some insane master plan that we're unaware of, we really only have one lifeline - and even that is not certain. If the ACC needs to add teams five years from now and we've been wrecked by our inclusion in a mid-major conference, we could be in trouble.

Part of me thinks we need to throw any and all standards to the curb and just forget we're even a university when it comes to athletics. (aka The Louisville Gambit)

 

[junglehusky]

You may be right Fishy... but going for AAU is still good for UConn regardless of athletics. And improving athletics success is worth it if we have the revenue (probably want to avoid the Rutgers gambit). Of course that's the primary worry and the primary prize, and the beginning of a chicken vs. egg argument.

 

[Adios]

We've been mentioned favorably by multiple media outlets in B1G territory, going back to 2010. Before we made it to the Fiesta Bowl. Considering plenty of people have bandwagon mentalities, anything is possible if we get an invite to the B1G. We do have a decent sized fanbase for basketball alone. Football is the issue. If we went D-1A long ago, we probably wouldn't be where we are. It took UConn quite a while to grow in the shadows of all the private institutions here. Our student body was puny in the early 1900s. But the way things are unfolding, we are absolutely the #1 public university in the direct northeast. At least academically. Personally, don't know whether to include Penn State in the northeast, mid-Atlantic or the midwest. But if we include them in the northeast, we are #2.

 

[zls44]

We've been mentioned favorably by multiple media outlets in B1G territory, going back to 2010. Before we made it to the Fiesta Bowl. Considering plenty of people have bandwagon mentalities, anything is possible if we get an invite to the B1G. We do have a decent sized fanbase for basketball alone. Football is the issue. If we went D-1A long ago, we probably wouldn't be where we are. It took UConn quite a while to grow in the shadows of all the private institutions here. Our student body was puny in the early 1900s. But the way things are unfolding, we are absolutely the #1 public university in the direct northeast. At least academically. Personally, don't know whether to include Penn State in the northeast, mid-Atlantic or the midwest. But if we include them in the northeast, we are #2.

With all due respect, you're basing this on favorable media reports. Fishy is basing this on talking to actual decision makers.

Difference.

 

[Adios]

With all due respect, you're basing this on favorable media reports. Fishy is basing this on talking to actual decision makers.

Difference.

Understandable. But there are some people who are linked to decision makers (presidents, in my view) saying there is the possibility of us being invited.

 

[mattp]

then do something about it. can't u see thats how the ko deal got done? some of us here have been on it since before jc fell off the dam bike but it took all us fans to keep bitching and moaning and eventually the media caught on and then the national media. thats why the ko deal got done other wise warde would have sta longer on his thumb..

Do you honestly think people complaining on message boards helped get the KO deal done? That might be the craziest part of your post. We're talking about adults making important decisions, and the idea that they'd kowtow to the lunatic fringe is ridiculous. His entire decision making process remained unchanged from day one. From the get go he said he wanted to see how he coached and how grades panned out. He waited until he had a satisfactory answer to each of those and then gave him the extension.

It's also pretty crazy that you think 80% of UConn fans are happy with our coaching situation just because we have a hobby outside of constantly posting new threads to bitch about it. You really need to learn what you have control over and what you don't and focus on the first stuff.