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http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/Kevin-Duffy-UConn-men-s-11-percent-grad-3985495.php

Only 1.3% of college b-ball players go pro, but 83% of UConn players have professional bbal jobs.

This is really where the NCAA and academics don't always mix. The numbers don't always tell the true story. The graduation rates should not matter for those who go pro early, and as the article points out, they can and sometimes do, come back and get their degree. Maybe the NCAA should have a grace period? I like how the article refers to Ed Nelson, who got his degree. He has been making six figures a year for several years playing overseas.
 

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a couple years from now when uk's grad rates come out at 2% ppl will say, oh its different tho. all the players at uk are pros. uconn is a bad school but uk is good. blah blah. ppl hate uconn becuase we are the first and only school that has broke th good ole boy college sports frat. in bball the bluebloods have us close by and stretching away from the rest of the pack. in fball those bluebloods are right now trying to distance themselves and in bball its hard for a school to ever catch up. we broke that and so we get more hate than anyone for it. its ll bs.
 
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a couple years from now when uk's grad rates come out at 2% ppl will say, oh its different tho. all the players at uk are pros. uconn is a bad school but uk is good. blah blah. ppl hate uconn becuase we are the first and only school that has broke th good ole boy college sports frat. in bball the bluebloods have us close by and stretching away from the rest of the pack. in fball those bluebloods are right now trying to distance themselves and in bball its hard for a school to ever catch up. we broke that and so we get more hate than anyone for it. its ll bs.

Kentucky might have a 100% GSR in 2 years.

Which is why Duffy's article is a total head scratcher. Players leaving for the pros in good standing are exempted from the grad rate numbers.

It's like he hasn't even read the criteria for the GSR.

Oh well, I think it's time to acknowledge that the NCAA has everyone hoodwinked on these numbers. When (NOT IF) UConn sends another 10 out of 12 to the pros, and also scores a 90% GSR while doing it, everyone can pat themselves on the back I guess. But it will prove these numbers are manipulated.
 
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Kentucky might have a 100% GSR in 2 years.

Which is why Duffy's article is a total head scratcher. Players leaving for the pros in good standing are exempted from the grad rate numbers.

It's like he hasn't even read the criteria for the GSR.

Oh well, I think it's time to acknowledge that the NCAA has everyone hoodwinked on these numbers. When (NOT IF) UConn sends another 10 out of 12 to the pros, and also scores a 90% GSR while doing it, everyone can pat themselves on the back I guess. But it will prove these numbers are manipulated.

There is some merit to the "leaving in good academic standing". However, I think your last point is much more valid. It's very easy to manipulate the good academic standing position with summer and winter courses. Kentucky players aren't taking 4-5 classes in the spring and doing well in all of them. They take the courses ahead of time, so by the end of the spring semester they have taken 8-10 courses. The NCAA is just making some universities look bad to people whom aren't informed about how the numbers are calculated. What sucks is that UConn is being crushed by the reports for no reason.
 
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So UConn was too stupid to manipulate the numbers like every other school in the country? Thank you Jeff Hathaway.
 
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So UConn was too stupid to manipulate the numbers like every other school in the country? Thank you Jeff Hathaway.

Well, no, ask upstater. The real story is that UConn is actually the only school that's committed to the education of their athletes, that's why their numbers are so horrible. They care too much and take academics too seriously, actually.
 
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Well, no, ask upstater. The real story is that UConn is actually the only school that's committed to the education of their athletes, that's why their numbers are so horrible. They care too much and take academics too seriously, actually.

Some people move on from coloring books to the web pretty quickly. This would explain your post.
 
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Miami had a class that was called "underwater basket weaving"- I #$%@ you not. Our problem was oversite and creativity when that failed.
 
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USF 88% GSR
0% graduation. ZERO graduated. Yet, 88% GSR.
 
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Well, no, ask upstater. The real story is that UConn is actually the only school that's committed to the education of their athletes, that's why their numbers are so horrible. They care too much and take academics too seriously, actually.

What's your problem? People trying to make valid points and you have to throw your sarcastic crap in for no apparent reason?

Must be a closet UMass fan......
 
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Well, no, ask upstater. The real story is that UConn is actually the only school that's committed to the education of their athletes, that's why their numbers are so horrible. They care too much and take academics too seriously, actually.
Ern, come on. UConn is't the only one...there are 3, Cal Tech, Harvard are the other two. Duffy's piece is just absurd. For one thing,the purpose of a college education IS NOT, as he claims, about job placement. He's confusing UConn with the state technical high schools. And further, you don't need to attend college for entrance into the world of professional basketball. You can go to Europe, go to the Dleague, go directly to the NBA if you want to sue. It is a foolish comparison.

I know it isn't popular here, but reality is thatUConn has managed in the period of about 5 years to change its image from a great one to that of a rogue program that will accept anyone (Nate Miles for instance), cheat to get him (Nate again) allow them to run wild (William and Price), an then send them out without their degrees. Somehow Calhoun never understood that his legacy outside Storrs Connecticut has been badly tarnished as well. UConn isn't andshouldn't bepercieved as runninga minor league feeder system for the NBA. Unfortunately that's the perspective almost everywhere except in states that begin with C and end with cut.
 
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Ern, come on. UConn is't the only one...there are 3, Cal Tech, Harvard are the other two. Duffy's piece is just absurd. For one thing,the purpose of a college education IS NOT, as he claims, about job placement. He's confusing UConn with the state technical high schools. And further, you don't need to attend college for entrance into the world of professional basketball. You can go to Europe, go to the Dleague, go directly to the NBA if you want to sue. It is a foolish comparison.

I know it isn't popular here, but reality is thatUConn has managed in the period of about 5 years to change its image from a great one to that of a rogue program that will accept anyone (Nate Miles for instance), cheat to get him (Nate again) allow them to run wild (William and Price), an then send them out without their degrees. Somehow Calhoun never understood that his legacy outside Storrs Connecticut has been badly tarnished as well. UConn isn't andshouldn't bepercieved as runninga minor league feeder system for the NBA. Unfortunately that's the perspective almost everywhere except in states that begin with C and end with cut.

Wow you used all of 3 names, a couple ancient history with 2 guys who were drafted successfully in the NBA.....I'm sure NO other major program has anything like that to tarnish their reputations??:eek: .........you and Big Crack are a joke.......just go away and lend your spewing to the UMass board or somewhere you'll be appreciated!!
 
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Ern, come on. UConn is't the only one...there are 3, Cal Tech, Harvard are the other two. Duffy's piece is just absurd. For one thing,the purpose of a college education IS NOT, as he claims, about job placement. He's confusing UConn with the state technical high schools. And further, you don't need to attend college for entrance into the world of professional basketball. You can go to Europe, go to the Dleague, go directly to the NBA if you want to sue. It is a foolish comparison.

I know it isn't popular here, but reality is thatUConn has managed in the period of about 5 years to change its image from a great one to that of a rogue program that will accept anyone (Nate Miles for instance), cheat to get him (Nate again) allow them to run wild (William and Price), an then send them out without their degrees. Somehow Calhoun never understood that his legacy outside Storrs Connecticut has been badly tarnished as well. UConn isn't andshouldn't bepercieved as runninga minor league feeder system for the NBA. Unfortunately that's the perspective almost everywhere except in states that begin with C and end with cut.

Are you part of the perception is reality crowd?

Adopting such a stance in this hyper-mediated world is dangerous.

Especially given the way the writers laud programs such as Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, etc.

Substance is much more important.
 
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Are you part of the perception is reality crowd?

Adopting such a stance in this hyper-mediated world is dangerous.

Especially given the way the writers laud programs such as Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, etc.

Substance is much more important.

You and Mau made me smile this morning.

I don't get why these dolts continue to hang onto their agendas. I have long thought that BigEaredMcCrackhead was an alias of Clothy. In fact, there is strong evidenceit is.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that UConn players used to take the same core classes as everyone else at UConn. Period...end of story. We also know that Calhoun and Hathaway had some sort of falling out over the past few years at the same time the rules from the NCAA were also changing. Our fundraising efforts and academic oversight efforts also suffered at the same time. This is from a direct conversation I had with the liason to the board of directors. Do people need an actual document to provide proof to what is obvious to anyone who isn't a total moron? To keep our program and players eligible we needed to move from a real student-athlete focused program to an althletics only focused program like UNC. If were doing what UNC has been doing there is NO WAY we would have failed to meet the APR requirements. Hello????????
 
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Wow you used all of 3 names, a couple ancient history with 2 guys who were drafted successfully in the NBA.....I'm sure NO other major program has anything like that to tarnish their reputations??:eek: .........you and Big Crack are a joke.......just go away and lend your spewing to the UMass board or somewhere you'll be appreciated!!

I dont know where this UMass **** comes from. It sounds like you've been huffing paint fumes with HuskyManiac for too long. Frankly, Mau, you sound almost as unhinged as she does lately.

What's really a joke is when people bend over backwards to ignore the fact that the program was asleep at the switch for a long time when it came to academics. It's okay, you can admit it. We're (mostly) adults here. Kids came in, played four years, and left with no degree. Kids came in, played a year, didn't go to class, and left. Is Darius Smith really an example of UConn's alternative approach to educating its basketball players, where we hold them to a higher standard than anywhere else? How about Gavin Edwards? Or Denham? Marcus Williams? Rashad?

You're starting to seem like a lunatic by association.
 
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You and Mau made me smile this morning.

I don't get why these dolts continue to hang onto their agendas. I have long thought that BigEaredMcCrackhead was an alias of Clothy. In fact, there is strong evidenceit is.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that UConn players used to take the same core classes as everyone else at UConn. Period...end of story. We also know that Calhoun and Hathaway had some sort of falling out over the past few years at the same time the rules from the NCAA were also changing. Our fundraising efforts and academic oversight efforts also suffered at the same time. This is from a direct conversation I had with the liason to the board of directors. Do people need an actual document to provide proof to what is obvious to anyone who isn't a total moron? To keep our program and players eligible we needed to move from a real student-athlete focused program to an althletics only focused program like UNC. If were doing what UNC has been doing there is NO WAY we would have failed to meet the APR requirements. Hello????????

This is largely why I've been hammering away on this for a while. Now, I don't believe schools need to adopt UNC or ACC and SEC style "academik" systems. But you can still keep players eligible in other more subtle ways. This is what Bilas has been yammering about for some time, clustering, intersession courses, etc. APR and GSR are geared to reward you for simply keeping up appearances. Otherwise, you wouldn't have that ugly USF 88%/0% split between GSR and the Federal rate.

I have no doubt that UNC is not alone down south. Today S. Carolina's governor declared an Official Day in honor of Marcus Lattimore's injury. I'm sure Spurrier, in such an atmosphere, is not doing organizing anything like the phantom classes organized by his state's northern counterparts. This is why I laugh when people tout the superior academics of the ACC.

Up north, things used to be done differently. But this is only anecdotal info I have from working at 3 d1 universities. About 7 or 8 years ago, long before UConn got into trouble, I used to tell people on this board that U. Miami's program was a renegade, that their academics for athletes were all for show, and I saw this first hand as a Dean took me through their program. I can't get on U. Miami anymore. Because U. Miami's paradigm is now the NCAA's paradigm, and UConn has now adopted what Miami used to do for 2 decades or more. But even that is better than what goes on at places like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and now UNC.

This year I've been watching the Sun Belt schools rise to prominence. Schools at the bottom of the D1 pecking order have been playing with some outstanding athletes, and they've been keeping up with the SEC schools in many games. It's good that the BE and ACC don't actually schedule these schools, because they would be getting wiped out by them. It seems as though the old U. Colorado and Boise St. and Fresno St. techniques of lowering standards are working wonders for these schools, and they should continue into the future. Meanwhile, up north, I can only think of one school that has had a reputation of not caring at all about academics, and that's Ohio State. But right now, with the NCAA not caring very much, I'd say that the northern schools are at a severe disadvantage not only in terms of lack of talent, but in terms of academic standards. Especially in football.

It's really time that schools considered franchising their athletics programs and populating them with non-student athletes. Other schools can still keep the old model. But this in-between model is for the birds.
 
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No, I think raising academic standards to get kids who are really deserving of attending college and then letting the other kids jump directly from high school to the pros or minor leagues is the best approach. It will water down the quality which will, in turn, remove some of the money from the picture. There will be less incentive to get kids to take fake classes and the kids will be less inclined to want to. We need to get back to student-athletes.
 
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I dont know where this UMass **** comes from. It sounds like you've been huffing paint fumes with HuskyManiac for too long. Frankly, Mau, you sound almost as unhinged as she does lately.

What's really a joke is when people bend over backwards to ignore the fact that the program was asleep at the switch for a long time when it came to academics. It's okay, you can admit it. We're (mostly) adults here. Kids came in, played four years, and left with no degree. Kids came in, played a year, didn't go to class, and left. Is Darius Smith really an example of UConn's alternative approach to educating its basketball players, where we hold them to a higher standard than anywhere else? How about Gavin Edwards? Or Denham? Marcus Williams? Rashad?

You're starting to seem like a lunatic by association.

I don't need association to be a lunatic, I'm way ahead of Hukymaniac w/o needing his assistance in that department!
 
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Are you part of the perception is reality crowd?

Adopting such a stance in this hyper-mediated world is dangerous.

Especially given the way the writers laud programs such as Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, etc.

Substance is much more important.
Kentucky Duke and North Carolina don't have the same negative perceptions. In part because they didn't get nailed for recruiting violations, APR failures, graduation rate disasters, and they didn't have players arrested who came back to play the same season. You want to know why the media dumps on UConn? Because UConn has made a string of bad choices. It was all self inflicted...
 
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No, I think raising academic standards to get kids who are really deserving of attending college and then letting the other kids jump directly from high school to the pros or minor leagues is the best approach. It will water down the quality which will, in turn, remove some of the money from the picture. There will be less incentive to get kids to take fake classes and the kids will be less inclined to want to. We need to get back to student-athletes.

At this point, I think the politics of it is a problem. If the NCAA could have legislated that, they would have already. The SEC has a gun to the NCAA's head.
 
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Kentucky Duke and North Carolina don't have the same negative perceptions. In part because they didn't get nailed for recruiting violations, APR failures, graduation rate disasters, and they didn't have players arrested who came back to play the same season. You want to know why the media dumps on UConn? Because UConn has made a string of bad choices. It was all self inflicted...

Wrong. They do have a ton of arrests and players not even missing a game.
Duke has repeatedly committed recruiting violations. I can name 3 off the top of my head. Myron Piggie and Corey Maggette. The recruitment of Kevin Love. And the latest one. You're up on that one, right? As for UNC----are you freaking serious??? I find it hard to believe that you're actually saying this with a straight face.

Once again, you're being disingenuous.
 
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At this point, I think the politics of it is a problem. If the NCAA could have legislated that, they would have already. The SEC has a gun to the NCAA's head.

You're probably right. I have wondered if the Big 10, Pac 10 and ACC could band together and split off from the NCAA. Maybe the Big East and a couple of smaller football conferences join them. I don't know where the Big 12 comes down on something like this. But they can't be happy with the game the SEC has created through the NCAA and the fact that no one can beat them at it. What's next? A rule that players have to stay 2 years in college? Like that wouldn't make the squid even more unbeatable?!
 
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So UConn was too stupid to manipulate the numbers like every other school in the country? Thank you Jeff Hathaway.
DING DING DING

There are so very many ways that Hathaway failed.
 
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