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Message: [QUOTE="auror, post: 2720587, member: 1329"] Embiid is going to be 2nd or 3rd team All NBA and All Defense (probably 2nd team) this year. That's already "great" in my book, but I guess it's fair to say he needs to do it a couple times to call it a great pick. The average pick comment made me curious where Embiid actually ranks compared to the other recent #3 picks in their first 4 years by VORP even missing a few years? 2017 Jayson Tatum, Duke – Boston Celtics - 1.8 + 3 years 2016 Jaylen Brown, California – Boston Celtics - 0.3 + 2 years 2015 Jahlil Okafor, Duke – Philadelphia 76ers - -1.4 + 1 year 2014 Joel Embiid, Kansas – Philadelphia 76ers - 3.2 2013 Otto Porter, Georgetown – Washington Wizards - 6.3 2012 Bradley Beal, Florida – Washington Wizards - 3.3 2011 Enes Kanter, Kentucky – Utah Jazz - -1.7 2010 Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets - 3.2 Ironically, Tatum is probably the best of all those players, but he's played exactly as many full seasons as Embiid. Porter leading surprised me. I knew they paid him and he shot efficiently, but the 3.9 he put up in his 4th year is literally better than the 4 year spans of everyone else, including his teammate Beal who I think is better. [/QUOTE]