Mushnick (NY Post) on JC

[sledog]

Mushnick must have another burr on his hemroids. He complains that JC ran up scores (40 pts) by not playing the bench, etc. Needs industrial strength Propa pH.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/20/womens-coach-could-show-legends-how-to-ethically-destroy-teams/

 

[alexd]

This is pretty funny. The 2005 game vs. TX Southern....the guys he's complaining about playing only a few minutes were all walk on's except for Ryan Thompson. None of the 10 main guys played more than 27 minutes. We only had 11 scholey players on the bench.

 

[imno1]

Didn't JC usually wait for the opposing coach to put up the white flag before he'd let up?

 

[willie99]

JC pulled the ball out and rarely covered big numbers, always allowed the back door

the author is a brain dead uninformed idiot, although he actually represents his profession very well

 

[BUConn10]

The part where the UConn assistant claims to have told the reporter that "running up the score is a form of reward to top recruits to pad their stats for pro scouts" is both hilarious and actually incredibly clever and I can't believe I never thought of that. Honestly, I say go for it since it can legitimately have an impact on where your players get drafted, thereby netting your more future earnings. I actually don't see anything wrong with that at all.

 

[hardcorehusky]

This flys in the face of what JC would tell kids. Winning, contributing to the team and individual development made a kid enticing to the pros

 

[superjohn]

Mushnick is still around?!?? Never understood why a guy who hates sports has a sports column, guy is so miserable.

 

[Waquoit]

The best running up the score whine came from BCU's Jim O'Brien in 1989. After his team quit at halftime and stopped playing defense losing by 37, he tried blaming JC and mumbled something about payback. BCU then went 0-for the 1990's, finally winning in 2001. Of course, BCU got us back off-the-court but I've got my fingers crossed that ends up being a Pyrrhic victory.

 

[August_West]

The part where the UConn assistant claims to have told the reporter that "running up the score is a form of reward to top recruits to pad their stats for pro scouts" is both hilarious and actually incredibly clever and I can't believe I never thought of that. Honestly, I say go for it since it can legitimately have an impact on where your players get drafted, thereby netting your more future earnings. I actually don't see anything wrong with that at all.

I think mushnick is really overstating the run up the score bit. Typical from him. However JC absolutely used to get his stars to their scoring average in blowouts. I think it is and was a good move . I remember a game I was at in 95-96 season were we were beating central by like 60 or something and Ray was still in there until he got his 20 plus to hit his average. As soon as he hit it, he was out. He used to do it with Donyell and Rip too. An ingenious way to attract elite talent.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

To quote Alec Baldwin (on Harvey Levin): Phil Mushnick is a festering boil on the anus of American media. I'm sure Jason Whitlock is champing at the bit to take over his column.

 

[Bryan Lord]

That's what I would call one of those good problems and one that we don't have very often anymore.

 

[uconn13]

To quote Alec Baldwin (on Harvey Levin): Phil Mushnick is a festering boil on the anus of American media. I'm sure Jason Whitlock is champing at the bit to take over his column.

quoting Phallic Baldwin.....that'll show 'em

 

[HooperScooper]

When JC's teams killed another team and someone would complain about running up the score JC would always tell the same story. I think it was JC's first year in the Big East and UConn lost big to St. John's. After the game JC is complaining to Lou Carnesecca about St. John's keeping their starters in too long. Louie says to JC, "Irish, you coach your team, and I'll coach mine." JC said that's the way he looked at it the rest of his career.

 

[Chief00]

When JC's teams killed another team and someone would complain about running up the score JC would always tell the same story. I think it was JC's first year in the Big East and UConn lost big to St. John's. After the game JC is complaining to Lou Carnesecca about St. John's keeping their starters in too long. Louie says to JC, "Irish, you coach your team, and I'll coach mine." JC said that's the way he looked at it the rest of his career.

Yeah that's what Louie called him and JC loved it. It never ceases to amaze me the stuff some people bring up about JC - running up the score a decade ago.

I still remember JC putting in a reserve relatively early in the game to make a point to Tate George. It was a kid from New London County and JC said to Tate that is how much you suck that I am playing this guy over you.

Another time playing Tom Moore's Q during a snowstorm - a lady who knew both JC and Tom got fed up with JC not putting the walk-ons in with a 40 point lead - she yelled - Jim call off the dogs - he responded - What do you want me to do? Then he sat down waited a minute - since no one can tell Jim what to do besides Louie (LOL) or Pat Calhoun and put in the walk-ons.
I could go on but you get the point.

 

[Nostical]

I'm sure Jason Whitlock is champing at the bit to take over his column.

Impressive use of "champing at the bit". Most folks use the incorrect "chomping". Well played.

 

[boog204]

The part where the UConn assistant claims to have told the reporter that "running up the score is a form of reward to top recruits to pad their stats for pro scouts" is both hilarious and actually incredibly clever and I can't believe I never thought of that. Honestly, I say go for it since it can legitimately have an impact on where your players get drafted, thereby netting your more future earnings. I actually don't see anything wrong with that at all.

Tom Moore absolutely stated this is an article a few years back somewhere. Mushnick picked it up and put it in an article last March. But there was definitely a more local account with Moore around the time he left for Quinnipiac. I'll find it. Below is the other article.

http://nypost.com/2015/03/27/congrats-jets-fan-your-psl-money-goes-to-this-baby-papa/

 

[Waquoit]

When JC's teams killed another team and someone would complain about running up the score JC would always tell the same story. I think it was JC's first year in the Big East and UConn lost big to St. John's. After the game JC is complaining to Lou Carnesecca about St. John's keeping their starters in too long. Louie says to JC, "Irish, you coach your team, and I'll coach mine." JC said that's the way he looked at it the rest of his career.

So you're saying Mushnik is correct?

 

[John]

That's what I would call one of those good problems and one that we don't have very often anymore.

 

[Chief00]

I don't agree with the conclusion - Calhoun's rule of thumb was to keep a guy in until he reached his average but not to pad his statistics - there is a ethical difference I think.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I don't agree with the conclusion - Calhoun's rule of thumb was to keep a guy in until he reached his average but not to pad his statistics - there is a ethical difference I think.

Keeping someone in a blowout solely for the purpose of reaching his scoring average is literally what it means to pad statistics.

 

[boog204]

and another reference where it states Tom Moore stated the stat padding on WFAN

http://nypost.com/2013/03/24/blowout-playing-time-scarce-for-orange-reserves/

 

[David 76]

Who the hell cares? A combative idiot comments on something very old that does not relates to the rules but to the "chivalry" of the game.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

So you're saying Mushnik is correct?

I've heard Calhoun tell that story a million times but it provides absolutely no insight on whether or not it's cool to run it up on people.

 

[Waquoit]

I've heard Calhoun tell that story a million times but it provides absolutely no insight on whether or not it's cool to run it up on people.

No doubt it's a case of whose ox is being gored. OU ran up the score in the Fiesta Bowl and it still hurts UConn.

 

[Robertelamin]

Was he checking out the Louisiana’s Southern University -Mississippi Valley womens basketball game on ESPN the Ocho and decided it would be a good time to bash a coach who has been dead for a decade and another one who has been retired for 4 years? I mean what was the point?

 

[QDOG5]

Rather than taking the so called ethical angle of running up the score let's call it margin of victory. For many years I have participated in a calcutta( a gambling game where you bid on teams in the tourney and get paid a share of the total pot as your team advances) and MOV was my go to stat. Teams in power conferences with a high MOV (NC, DUKE, KANSAS, UCONN '03-'04 led the nation) consistently outperformed similar teams with lower MOV. For instance, a team like Pitt who was UConns' equal in conference for many years. They always had a lower MOV because they played games in the 60-65 point range versus a UConn which liked to score in the 80's. In the tourney there is a better chance of an upset in a low scoring game than a high scoring. One year Kansas led the nation in MOV and Memphis was one tenth of a point behind. KU beat Memphis in OT to win the title that year. MOV has lost some of it's power as the one and dones have become more common (now I also look for teams with a high win percentage and a lot of upper classmen) but it is still a good indicator for a team to advance in March Madness. So, if and when KO's teams start blowing teams out don't worry yourself with the ethics of running up the score or the fact some walk-on didn't get a bucket in garbage time. Just enjoy the smell of napalm in the morning.

 

[Chief00]

Quite frankly, from a coach's perspective, I think you have to look at motive too - something that's totally guesswork to an observer. Sometimes a coach is trying to built confidence of a player in a minor slump, other times he's trying to built team chemistry, try a lineup and yes give an upperclassman TV visibility or show case talent to an NBA scout. Other times coaches just get caught up in the team executing and lose track of the score.

Having said all that - do I think JC ran up the score to run up the score against BC - LOL Absolutely !

I hope this helps.

 

[Brochacho]

Quite frankly, from a coach's perspective, I think you have to look at motive too - something that's totally guesswork to an observer. Sometimes a coach is trying to built confidence of a player in a minor slump, other times he's trying to built team chemistry, try a lineup and yes give an upperclassman TV visibility or show case talent to an NBA scout. Other times coaches just get caught up in the team executing and lose track of the score.

Having said all that - do I think JC ran up the score to run up the score against BC - LOL Absolutely !

I hope this helps.

thank you

 

[TheChamps990411]

I couldnt care less about the running up the score nonsense. Did the guy writing the article forget the national title game agaisnt Gtech? That game couldve been a 30 point win but JC took the foot off the peddle with about 10 minutes in that game as he clearly didnt want to embarrass coach Hewitt and his kids on national television. Did JC run up the scores at times? Sure he did. But so does every coach at one time or another. Not a big deal. JC is one of the greatest college basketball coaches of all time so haters are going to hate.