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Message: [QUOTE="UConnNick, post: 2079967, member: 1526"] WCBB cannot be compared with the NFL or MCBB because there's an ocean of difference in between due to parity. The NFL and MCBB have it. The women's game doesn't. Just winning regular season games is a struggle in both sports. The women have maybe 5 teams going into each season with some chance to win it all. There are few major upsets at the top of that pyramid, and the top teams only face a handful of games each season with any doubt about who's going to win. There's an appreciable drop off in talent even among the top 6-25 teams vs the top 5. Those teams rarely beat the top 5. As a top 5 team you're going to mow down 3/4 of your schedule, have maybe a handful of wins in the 10-15 point range, and maybe struggle in a few close games against the top 5. That's guaranteed each and every season. That is not remotely close to the reality faced by coaches in college sports where Nos. 10-100 or lower can beat you if you're not on top of your game. That's why the NFL and MCBB coaches you mention cannot be judged by the same standards as WCBB coaches. Auriemma and Summit are at the top of that pyramid, and anybody else is a distant third and so on. I'm not saying Barmore, Mulkey, Hatchell, Frese and McGraw aren't great coaches, but they're all far from the elite status of Auriemma and Summit. QUOTE="ivrytontusker, post: 2079770, member: 6648"]The claim about being in the same "stratosphere" as Geno is a straw man argument. If everybody is measured against Geno, I guess there are no other good coaches? Presumably you aren't saying that Mulkey is in the same stratosphere as Auriemma and Summit, just because she has won 1 more title than McGraw? The argument about title game records leads to some absurd conclusions. What it suggests is that if Baylor had made the title game in 2014 and 2015, instead of ND, and then lost to UConn, this would change your assessment of the two coaches. You're effectively criticizing McGraw for getting to too many Final Fours when ND was not the best team, and then losing to a better team (which was true every year save 2011). The general implication is that it would be better to not advance as far in the tournament, which doesn't seem to make much sense. It also leads to the conclusion that coaches such as Tom Landry, Don Shula, and Dean Smith, who also had losing records in title games, are not 'elite.'[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

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