Monday's (Mar. 2) top 16 reveal

[Plebe]

Tomorrow the committee will reveal their updated top 16.

Here are my predictions. I disagree with Creme's picks in a few areas. (Please note: These are my predictions for tomorrow's reveal, not my personal ranking of teams.)

The #1 seeds:

1. South Carolina. Absolutely a no-brainer. Their 14 top-50 wins, including marquee wins over Baylor, Maryland and UConn, place SC's résumé head and shoulders above the rest.​

2. Oregon. I believe Oregon overtakes Baylor on the basis of their quality wins: 9 wins over the RPI top 50 and 6 over the top 25.​

3. Baylor. Their only blemish is the loss to South Carolina. Baylor has 4 wins over RPI top-25 teams, including a road win at UConn.​

4. Maryland. The clear choice for the final #1 seed. Maryland's 11 top-50 wins are second only to South Carolina. They have been steamrolling everyone in sight since mid-January.​

The #2 seeds:

5. Louisville. The marquee win over Oregon anchors a solid résumé. Their losses to Syracuse and Florida State carry the asterisk of Balogun's absence.​

6. Northwestern. Some will be surprised by this choice, but NW has a stout résumé of 9 top-50 wins, headlined by a top-5 win over Maryland, and no losses outside the RPI top 25.​

7. UConn. No losses other than to the top 3 teams, but the résumé lacks quality wins: only 5 wins over the RPI top 50, with the best wins over DePaul and Ohio State.​

8. Stanford. It's a close call with UCLA for this final #2 seed, but Stanford gets the nod with 5 wins over the RPI top 25 and no losses outside the RPI top 50.​

The #3 seeds. This is where it starts to get jumbled:

9. UCLA. The Bruins' 7 top-50 wins keep them at a high #3 seed, despite the bad loss to Washington.​

10. Iowa. Perhaps the most inconsistent body of work among the top 16, but wins over Maryland and Northwestern headline 5 wins over the RPI top 25.​

11. Mississippi State. A solid but unspectacular résumé with 6 wins over the RPI top 50, but only one win over the RPI top 25.​

12. NC State. The win over Maryland is a nice headliner, but the losses to UNC and Georgia Tech hurt a bit.​

The #4 seeds:

13. Arizona. The Wildcats were #10 on my projection before today's disastrous loss to Cal, which dropped them out of the RPI top 25. But their résumé is still strong, anchored by wins over Stanford and UCLA.​

14. Indiana. No one in the country has a better win than the neutral-court win over South Carolina, and Indiana has no losses to teams outside the RPI top 25.​

15. Gonzaga. Despite the one bad loss to St. Mary's, Gonzaga hangs on to a hosting spot thanks to other teams' blunders.​

16. Oregon State. It's been a rough stretch for the Beavers, but their 4 wins over top-50 teams still give them an edge over other teams in contention for a hosting spot.​

The "just missed a hosting spot" teams:

Texas A&M. The loss at home to Alabama spoiled would would've likely been a happy "reveal day" tomorrow for the Aggies.​

DePaul. Recent losses to Villanova and Marquette have dropped the Demons.​

Missouri State. The loss to Illinois State prevents the Bears from rising up.​

Florida State. Lost at home to Notre Dame. Need we say more?​

Princeton. Only one loss, in overtime at Iowa, and their eye test is strong. But just not enough substance in the résumé to claim a #4 seed. Their only top-50 win is over FGCU.​

 

[bballnut90]

Tomorrow the committee will reveal their updated top 16.

Here are my predictions. I disagree with Creme's picks in a few areas. (Please note: These are my predictions for tomorrow's reveal, not my personal ranking of teams.)

The #1 seeds:

1. South Carolina. Absolutely a no-brainer. Their 14 top-50 wins, including marquee wins over Baylor, Maryland and UConn, place SC's résumé head and shoulders above the rest.​

2. Oregon. I believe Oregon overtakes Baylor on the basis of their quality wins: 9 wins over the RPI top 50 and 6 over the top 25.​

3. Baylor. Their only blemish is the loss to South Carolina. Baylor has 4 wins over RPI top-25 teams, including a road win at UConn.​

4. Maryland. The clear choice for the final #1 seed. Maryland's 11 top-50 wins are second only to South Carolina. They have been steamrolling everyone in sight since mid-January.​

The #2 seeds:

5. Louisville. The marquee win over Oregon anchors a solid résumé. Their losses to Syracuse and Florida State carry the asterisk of Balogun's absence.​

6. Northwestern. Some will be surprised by this choice. but NW has a stout résumé of 9 top-50 wins, headlined by a top-5 win over Maryland, and no losses outside the RPI top 25.​

7. UConn. No losses other than to the top 3 teams, but the résumé lacks quality wins: only 5 wins over the RPI top 50, with the best wins over DePaul and Ohio State.​

8. Stanford. It's a close call with UCLA for this final #2 seed, but Stanford gets the nod with 5 wins over the RPI top 25 and no losses outside the RPI top 50.​

The #3 seeds. This is where it starts to get jumbled:

9. UCLA. The Bruins' 7 top-50 wins keep them at a high #3 seed, despite the bad loss to Washington.​

10. Iowa. Perhaps the most inconsistent body of work among the top 16, but wins over Maryland and Northwestern headline 5 wins over the RPI top 25.​

11. Mississippi State. A solid but unspectacular résumé with 6 wins over the RPI top 50, but only one win over the RPI top 25.​

12. NC State. The win over Maryland is a nice headliner, but the losses to UNC and Georgia Tech hurt a bit.​

The #4 seeds:

13. Arizona. The Wildcats were #10 on my projection before today's disastrous loss to Cal, which dropped them out of the RPI top 25. But their résumé is still strong, anchored by wins over Stanford and UCLA.​

14. Indiana. No one in the country has a better win than the neutral-court win over South Carolina, and Indiana has no losses to teams outside the RPI top 25.​

15. Gonzaga. Despite the one bad loss to St. Mary's, Gonzaga hangs on to a hosting spot thanks to other teams' blunders.​

16. Oregon State. It's been a rough stretch for the Beavers, but their 4 wins over top-50 teams still give them an edge over other teams in contention for a hosting spot.​

The "just missed a hosting spot" teams:

Texas A&M. The loss at home to Alabama spoiled would would've likely been a happy "reveal day" tomorrow for the Aggies.​

DePaul. Recent losses to Villanova and Marquette have dropped the Demons.​

Missouri State. The loss to Illinois State prevents the Bears from rising up.​

Florida State. Lost at home to Notre Dame. Need we say more?​

I think this is pretty spot on. After hearing Creme speak today, I think UCONN has a big uphill battle to be placed in Fort Wayne if the committee gives Louisville preference due to location. In order to nab the spot, I think one of the following would have to happen:

1. Both Northwestern and Maryland lose the Big Ten title game, likely to Iowa or Indiana. Louisville gets the 1 seed. If that happens, Maryland still may be ahead of UCONN for the 2 seed there if they make the Big Ten title game, but it'll be a close call.

2. Louisville loses in the QF of the ACC tournament and falls to a 3. If they make it to the semis or finals and lose, they're likely still on the 2 line and get Fort Wayne.

3. UCONN loses in the AAC and falls to a 3. This would likely be the best scenario IMO.


Tomorrow's reveal should tell us more. Next weekend will be a fun one to watch with all of the conference championships going on.

 

[triaddukefan]

I wonder if the UConn fans would rather be a #3 in Fort Wayne.... or a #2 elsewhere.

 

[Plebe]

I think this is pretty spot on. After hearing Creme speak today, I think UCONN has a big uphill battle to be placed in Fort Wayne if the committee gives Louisville preference due to location. In order to nab the spot, I think one of the following would have to happen:

1. Both Northwestern and Maryland lose the Big Ten title game, likely to Iowa or Indiana. Louisville gets the 1 seed. If that happens, Maryland still may be ahead of UCONN for the 2 seed there if they make the Big Ten title game, but it'll be a close call.

2. Louisville loses in the QF of the ACC tournament and falls to a 3. If they make it to the semis or finals and lose, they're likely still on the 2 line and get Fort Wayne.

3. UCONN loses in the AAC and falls to a 3. This would likely be the best scenario IMO.


Tomorrow's reveal should tell us more. Next weekend will be a fun one to watch with all of the conference championships going on.

IMO there's a substantial gap between Maryland and the teams behind them, and it would take a "bad" loss for even Louisville to overtake Maryland. Losing to the likes of Northwestern, Iowa or Indiana would not be seen by the committee as a bad loss.

The other issue is that both Louisville and Northwestern stand to benefit from "geographical preference" as both are within 350 driving miles of Ft. Wayne. And unless one of them takes a truly bad loss in the conference tournament, I don't see UConn overtaking either of them.

I thought the committee had Northwestern criminally underranked at #16 in the 1st reveal. I'm operating on the assumption that they won't perpetuate that mistake here in the 2nd reveal. I'm not certain that they'll be ahead of UConn, but if they're not a #2 seed it will be a travesty.

 

[UConnCat]

I wonder if the UConn fans would rather be a #3 in Fort Wayne.... or a #2 elsewhere.

Why not ask them. It is a UConn board after all.

 

[azfan]

Tomorrow the committee will reveal their updated top 16.

Here are my predictions. I disagree with Creme's picks in a few areas. (Please note: These are my predictions for tomorrow's reveal, not my personal ranking of teams.)

The #1 seeds:

1. South Carolina. Absolutely a no-brainer. Their 14 top-50 wins, including marquee wins over Baylor, Maryland and UConn, place SC's résumé head and shoulders above the rest.​

2. Oregon. I believe Oregon overtakes Baylor on the basis of their quality wins: 9 wins over the RPI top 50 and 6 over the top 25.​

3. Baylor. Their only blemish is the loss to South Carolina. Baylor has 4 wins over RPI top-25 teams, including a road win at UConn.​

4. Maryland. The clear choice for the final #1 seed. Maryland's 11 top-50 wins are second only to South Carolina. They have been steamrolling everyone in sight since mid-January.​

The #2 seeds:

5. Louisville. The marquee win over Oregon anchors a solid résumé. Their losses to Syracuse and Florida State carry the asterisk of Balogun's absence.​

6. Northwestern. Some will be surprised by this choice. but NW has a stout résumé of 9 top-50 wins, headlined by a top-5 win over Maryland, and no losses outside the RPI top 25.​

7. UConn. No losses other than to the top 3 teams, but the résumé lacks quality wins: only 5 wins over the RPI top 50, with the best wins over DePaul and Ohio State.​

8. Stanford. It's a close call with UCLA for this final #2 seed, but Stanford gets the nod with 5 wins over the RPI top 25 and no losses outside the RPI top 50.​

The #3 seeds. This is where it starts to get jumbled:

9. UCLA. The Bruins' 7 top-50 wins keep them at a high #3 seed, despite the bad loss to Washington.​

10. Iowa. Perhaps the most inconsistent body of work among the top 16, but wins over Maryland and Northwestern headline 5 wins over the RPI top 25.​

11. Mississippi State. A solid but unspectacular résumé with 6 wins over the RPI top 50, but only one win over the RPI top 25.​

12. NC State. The win over Maryland is a nice headliner, but the losses to UNC and Georgia Tech hurt a bit.​

The #4 seeds:

13. Arizona. The Wildcats were #10 on my projection before today's disastrous loss to Cal, which dropped them out of the RPI top 25. But their résumé is still strong, anchored by wins over Stanford and UCLA.​

14. Indiana. No one in the country has a better win than the neutral-court win over South Carolina, and Indiana has no losses to teams outside the RPI top 25.​

15. Gonzaga. Despite the one bad loss to St. Mary's, Gonzaga hangs on to a hosting spot thanks to other teams' blunders.​

16. Oregon State. It's been a rough stretch for the Beavers, but their 4 wins over top-50 teams still give them an edge over other teams in contention for a hosting spot.​

The "just missed a hosting spot" teams:

Texas A&M. The loss at home to Alabama spoiled would would've likely been a happy "reveal day" tomorrow for the Aggies.​

DePaul. Recent losses to Villanova and Marquette have dropped the Demons.​

Missouri State. The loss to Illinois State prevents the Bears from rising up.​

Florida State. Lost at home to Notre Dame. Need we say more?​

Princeton. Only one loss, in overtime at Iowa, and their eye test is strong. But just not enough substance in the résumé to claim a #4 seed. Their only top-50 win is over FGCU.​

I completely agree with Maryland. In fact they may be the top three teams in the country over the last eight weeks.

Would a loss in the semis of the Pac tournament knock Oregon State out of that top 16 line?.

Does the loss Arizona suffered at home today endanger their chances of hosting? I'm really looking forward to seeing NCAA first round in person if possible. Does Arizona need to advance to the semifinals to hold that spot?

Given the possibility of upsets and the top and strength in the pack I can see a case that neither Arizona or Oregon State make it to the semifinals in the tournament. Should that happen who is more in danger of dropping out of the top 16?

 

[Plebe]

Would a loss in the semis of the Pac tournament knock Oregon State out of that top 16 line?.

Does the loss Arizona suffered at home today endanger their chances of hosting? I'm really looking forward to seeing NCAA first round in person if possible. Does Arizona need to advance to the semifinals to hold that spot?

Given the possibility of upsets and the top and strength in the pack I can see a case that neither Arizona or Oregon State make it to the semifinals in the tournament. Should that happen who is more in danger of dropping out of the top 16?

Oregon State will be the #6 seed in the P12 tourney. To get to the semis they'll have to beat Stanford, which would be a great win for OSU -- in fact, their best of the season. That would only help their resume.

Losing to Stanford in the QFs wouldn't hurt their resume, but they could be vulnerable if other teams around the hosting bubble do really well.

Losing in the 1st round to #11 seed Washington State, now that could definitely burst the hosting bubble for OSU.

Arizona is a little bit safer at this point than OSU. Arizona as the #4 Pac-12 seed likely won't play a bad team and therefore may not be at risk of a bad loss. I doubt that a loss to ASU would drop them out of hosting.

But weird things can happen in the Pac-12 tournament. Last year it was Washington's run to the semifinals. Maybe Cal's win at Arizona will be the spark they need to upset ASU in the 1st round on Thursday.

 

[Centerstream]

Not that I have any disagreements with the OP, but I think Louisville's loss to a seemingly plummeting FSU might hurt them a bit more, especially if FSU doesn't win a ACC Tournament game...

 

[TheFarmFan]

Not that I have any disagreements with the OP, but I think Louisville's loss to a seemingly plummeting FSU might hurt them a bit more, especially if FSU doesn't win a ACC Tournament game...

Not to be a broken record, but they lost to FSU when one of their starters was absent for national team duties. I think that carries a weighty asterisk, because the alternative punishes teams that let their starters leave for national team duties, and I think the committee recognizes it's in everyone's interests to enable top foreigners to play U.S. D1 hoops without forfeiting their ability to represent their home teams in international play...

 

[bballnut90]

IMO there's a substantial gap between Maryland and the teams behind them, and it would take a "bad" loss for even Louisville to overtake Maryland. Losing to the likes of Northwestern, Iowa or Indiana would not be seen by the committee as a bad loss.

The other issue is that both Louisville and Northwestern stand to benefit from "geographical preference" as both are within 350 driving miles of Ft. Wayne. And unless one of them takes a truly bad loss in the conference tournament, I don't see UConn overtaking either of them.

I thought the committee had Northwestern criminally underranked at #16 in the 1st reveal. I'm operating on the assumption that they won't perpetuate that mistake here in the 2nd reveal. I'm not certain that they'll be ahead of UConn, but if they're not a #2 seed it will be a travesty.

If Northwestern wins the Big Ten tourney theyll get the 4th number 1 over Maryland. That likely means adding in wins over Maryland and Iowa so theyll have a slew of really good wins, including 2 over MD to get their spot.

 

[Figurehead]

Oregon State will be the #6 seed in the P12 tourney. To get to the semis they'll have to beat Stanford, which would be a great win for OSU -- in fact, their best of the season. That would only help their resume.

Losing to Stanford in the QFs wouldn't hurt their resume, but they could be vulnerable if other teams around the hosting bubble do really well.

Losing in the 1st round to #11 seed Washington State, now that could definitely burst the hosting bubble for OSU.

Arizona is a little bit safer at this point than OSU. Arizona as the #4 Pac-12 seed likely won't play a bad team and therefore may not be at risk of a bad loss. I doubt that a loss to ASU would drop them out of hosting.

But weird things can happen in the Pac-12 tournament. Last year it was Washington's run to the semifinals. Maybe Cal's win at Arizona will be the spark they need to upset ASU in the 1st round on Thursday.

I think beating Stanford for them is a must but that is my own take.

 

[Plebe]

Using my projected committee ranking above, I put together a few possible regional brackets.

The first one is how it might look if the committee prioritizes the placement of NC State in Greenville, which skews the numerical balance a bit.

The second two scenarios forgo the geographical priority for NC State. The middle scenario is the most numerically balanced of the three.

(Edit: I found a couple mistakes in my projected brackets. There's a lot of nasty details to remember.)

 

[DefenseBB]

If Northwestern wins the Big Ten tourney theyll get the 4th number 1 over Maryland. That likely means adding in wins over Maryland and Iowa so theyll have a slew of really good wins, including 2 over MD to get their spot.

@Plebe is correct that no one else is close to Maryland for the fourth #1 seed except for Louisville. If Stanford were to run the gauntlet of the PAC12 tourney, and MD stumbles, maybe them. ​

NW is not winning the Big10 Tourney. They have had a great year, overperformed and are a nice story but NO FREAKIN WAY should they be the 4th #1 team. Louisville deserves it before them. The RPI has flaws and my frustration with this Q1 record is how arbitrary it is-Top 50? vs. Top 16 or Top 25 or Top 10? If we place so much emphasis on the Top 50 which is basically the list of teams that should make the NCAAT, then why are teams outside the TOP 50 being considered for At Large bids- Ga. Tech, Tenn, Iowa St etc. If you want to examine who should be a Top 16 seed and then slot 1-4 in the regional, use the Top 16 RPI to see who is deserving.

Let's really look at NW as this is about them as a #1: 1 win over Maryland (also 1 loss). Wins over Indiana-15, Ohio State-22, Duke-22, DePaul-19 which are nice but not great. They lost to

Iowa-12, ​

also good but also overrated at #12 RPI. They played the #83 OOC-that's terrible. At best they deserve a #2 seed.

Why doesn't the committee use the same set of criteria as the Men's Committee? The RPI has flaws.
Again, it's about equality! Do the same vigilance for the Women, you do for the Men.

 

[Plebe]

Wow, NW is still criminally underranked. I said yesterday that it would be a travesty if they weren't a 2 seed, and I stand by that.

Very surprised that Indiana isn't ahead of DePaul and Oregon State, at a minimum.

1. SC
2. Baylor
3. Oregon
4. Maryland

5. Louisville
6. UConn
7. Stanford
8. UCLA

9. NW
10. NC St
11. MSU
12. Gonzaga

13. Iowa
14. Arizona
15. Oregon St
16. DePaul

 

[Plebe]

Having UCLA on the 2 line with Stanford effectively forces UConn to the Portland region.

Dallas
Baylor
Stanford
MSU
Iowa

Portland
Oregon
UConn
NW
DePaul

G'ville
SC
UCLA
NC St
Oregon St

Ft. Wayne
Maryland
Louisville
Gonzaga
Arizona

 

[Wbbfan1]

Yes, it would be advantageous for UConn to be a 3 seed in Greenville or Fort Wayne instead of a #2 Seed in Portland. However, no way do I want to see UConn lose the AAC Tournament to make that happen. I want UConn to leave the AAC as an Undefeated and Champion for each year they were a member of the AAC.

 

[bballnut90]

Wow Northwestern getting shafted. How on earth is UCLA ahead of them? Committee must think the Big Ten is overrated. Also surprised that Oregon hasn't overtaken Baylor, not that it will really matter at all. This weekend is going to change a lot of these rankings IMO. The only 4 I'm somewhat confident about are the top 4.

 

[bballnut90]

Yes, it would be advantageous for UConn to be a 3 seed in Greenville or Fort Wayne instead of a #2 Seed in Portland. However, no way do I want to see UConn lose the AAC Tournament to make that happen. I want UConn to leave the AAC as an Undefeated and Champion for each year they were a member of the AAC.

If it gives them a realistic shot to get to the final four it might be worth it IMO. I don't see anybody competing with Oregon in Portland.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Also surprised that Oregon hasn't overtaken Baylor, not that it will really matter at all.

That is beyond assinine. Since the last reveal Oregon has beaten UCLA and Stanford on the road while Baylor has beaten...nobody noteworthy. Their best win is neutralized by Oregon beating the same team by about the same margin. You remove that and the comparison is Indiana for BU and for UO...Stanford X2, Arizona X2, Oregon St. X2, UCLA, Arizona St. If someone tries to tell me beating TCU or Texas is equivalent to any of UO's wins, I'm not buying it. There's no rationale to explain Baylor being ahead of Oregon. And don't give me "better losses" routine.

 

[Plebe]

Wow Northwestern getting shafted. How on earth is UCLA ahead of them? Committee must think the Big Ten is overrated. Also surprised that Oregon hasn't overtaken Baylor, not that it will really matter at all. This weekend is going to change a lot of these rankings IMO. The only 4 I'm somewhat confident about are the top 4.

It's really stunning how much they disrespected Northwestern, Iowa and Indiana. Is this the karmic overcorrection for how grossly the volleyball committee kissed up to the Big Ten?

There's absolutely no sound rationale for having NW behind Stanford and UCLA. Northwestern has: (a) a higher-quality win (over #4 overall Maryland) than any win by either Stanford or UCLA; (b) a higher total of quality wins; and (c) "better" losses.

Did the committee just ignore the fact that UCLA has a bad loss to Washington? What about Stanford's loss to Texas, a bubble team?

Team	Best wins (RPI rank)	Losses (RPI rank)	Number of wins over top 25 / top 50
Stanford	Gonzaga (10) (n) Mississippi St (14) Oregon St x2 (18) Ohio State (22)	at Texas (44) at Arizona (27) UCLA (13) Oregon x2 (2)	5 / 6
UCLA	at Stanford (8) at Indiana (15) Oregon St (18) Arizona (27)	at Washington (126) at USC (84) at Arizona (27) Oregon (2)	3 / 7
Northwestern	Maryland (3) at Indiana (15) at Ohio State (22) at Duke (24)	DePaul (19) Iowa (12) at Maryland (3)	4 / 9

 

[bballnut90]

That is beyond assinine. Since the last reveal Oregon has beaten UCLA and Stanford on the road while Baylor has beaten...nobody noteworthy. Their best win is neutralized by Oregon beating the same team by about the same margin. You remove that and the comparison is Indiana for BU and for UO...Stanford X2, Arizona X2, Oregon St. X2, UCLA, Arizona St. If someone tries to tell me beating TCU or Texas is equivalent to any of UO's wins, I'm not buying it. There's no rationale to explain Baylor being ahead of Oregon. And don't give me "better losses" routine.

I agree they should be ahead of Baylor but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesnt matter. Regardless of who is 2 vs 3, Oregon likely gets UCONN as their 2 seed while Baylor gets one of the PAC schools due to geography. Assuming they both advance through regionals, theyll play in the Final Four for a berth to the title game.

 

[bballnut90]

It's really stunning how much they disrespected Northwestern, Iowa and Indiana. Is this the karmic overcorrection for how grossly the volleyball committee kissed up to the Big Ten?

There's absolutely no sound rationale for having NW behind Stanford and UCLA. Northwestern has: (a) a higher-quality win (over #4 overall Maryland) than any win by either Stanford or UCLA; (b) a higher total of quality wins; and (c) "better" losses.

Did the committee just ignore the fact that UCLA has a bad loss to Washington? What about Stanford's loss to Texas, a bubble team?

Team	Best wins (RPI rank)	Losses (RPI rank)	Number of wins over top 25 / top 50
Stanford	Gonzaga (10) (n) Mississippi St (14) Oregon St x2 (18) Ohio State (22)	at Texas (44) at Arizona (27) UCLA (13) Oregon x2 (2)	5 / 6
UCLA	at Stanford (8) at Indiana (15) Oregon St (18) Arizona (27)	at Washington (126) at USC (84) at Arizona (27) Oregon (2)	3 / 7
Northwestern	Maryland (3) at Indiana (15) at Ohio State (22) at Duke (24)	DePaul (19) Iowa (12) at Maryland (3)	4 / 9

Add in UCLA's loss to USC and it really doesnt make sense. My guess is that as long as NW makes the Big Ten title game, they'll get a 2 seed while the loser of the likely Stanford/UCLA game falls to a 3.

 

[Plebe]

Add in UCLA's loss to USC and it really doesnt make sense. My guess is that as long as NW makes the Big Ten title game, they'll get a 2 seed while the loser of the likely Stanford/UCLA game falls to a 3.

I mean they *could* have given UCLA a bit of a pass because Onyenwere was out for the USC game. But she played in the Washington loss.

 

[domerduck]

I mean they *could* have given UCLA a bit of a pass because Onyenwere was out for the USC game. But she played in the Washington loss.

I think it's the OOC compares are helping the PAC12 seeding. You do remember UCLA beat Indiana on their court by 10 and lead throughout while NW only won by 2 and Indiana blew that game after leading the whole second half. NW lost at home to Depaul which Oregon State beat by 21 and UCLA beat OSU. Also quality teams losing to lesser conference team on Senior Day is often not a surprise and might be forgiven

In my opinion I don't get the RPI reference when a conference like the Big 10 is so overated. That conference has underperformed the last 5 years in the NCAA tourney while the PAC 12 has overperformed. Maybe the committee is planning to seed closer to how the conference actually will performs in the tourney. So far it looks like it.

 

[Plebe]

I think it's the OOC compares are helping the PAC12 seeding. You do remember UCLA beat Indiana on their court by 10 and lead throughout while NW only won by 2 and Indiana blew that game after leading the whole second half. NW lost at home to Depaul which Oregon State beat by 21 and UCLA beat OSU. Also quality teams losing to lesser conference team on Senior Day is often not a surprise and might be forgiven

In my opinion I don't get the RPI reference when a conference like the Big 10 is so overated. That conference has underperformed the last 5 years in the NCAA tourney while the PAC 12 has overperformed. Maybe the committee is planning to seed closer to how the conference actually will performs in the tourney. So far it looks like it.

You're cherry-picking to the extreme.