Moe Harkless

[Fishy]

I'm ready to admit it - he's a monster.

13-21, 30 pts, 12 rebounds late against Duke.

St. John's is going to lose, but it was a really good effort at Cameron - they were down big at the half and have completely outplayed Duke in the second half.

Related note - hard to win at Cameron when you shoot 10-19 from the free throw line and the Dukies shoot 30-40. Forty free throws...hmmm. (Samson Johnson has eight more made hoops than Duke.)

 

[mauconnfan]

Great effort by the Johnnies......Yeah he is really really good and would be special in National Flag Blue......

 

[upstater]

Oh well, he would have fit well with UConn.

Someone gave him bad advice.

 

[husky99]

I'm ready to admit it - he's a monster.

13-21, 30 pts, 12 rebounds late against Duke.

St. John's is going to lose, but it was a really good effort at Cameron - they were down big at the half and have completely outplayed Duke in the second half.

Related note - hard to win at Cameron when you shoot 10-19 from the free throw line and the Dukies shoot 30-40. Forty free throws...hmmm. (Samson Johnson has eight more made hoops than Duke.)

what about wvu kevin jones, you dogged him as being soft ?

 

[James]

Harkless is a stud. Pro. If the johnnies had any sort of big man other than god's gift, they could compete.

 

[Fishy]

what about wvu kevin jones, you dogged him as being soft ?

I can't criticize Mount Vernon kids too much if I want to show my face at their games. He's not soft, but I have said that he didn't always buy into the role that he needed to - he should have averaged more than seven rebounds a game over the past several years and I think he is more enamored with his shooting range than is justified.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Didn't get a chance to watch the game, but saw that Duke shot 42 FTs...

 

[husky99]

I can't criticize Mount Vernon kids too much if I want to show my face at their games. He's not soft, but I have said that he didn't always buy into the role that he needed to - he should have averaged more than seven rebounds a game over the past several years and I think he is more enamored with his shooting range than is justified.

I am just playing with you fishy! I just remember that when he was in high school you said that you hope he dd not go to uconn , or something like that

 

[husky91]

You sure he would get minutes ahead of Giffey?

Oh well, he would have fit well with UConn.

Someone gave him bad advice.

 

[huskyharry]

He is a great player...Johnnies could be very tough next year if they can get a big


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[huskyharry]

I agree with the commentator, he looks a lot like Walter Berry


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[huskymagic]

I'm ready to admit it - he's a monster.

13-21, 30 pts, 12 rebounds late against Duke.

St. John's is going to lose, but it was a really good effort at Cameron - they were down big at the half and have completely outplayed Duke in the second half.

Related note - hard to win at Cameron when you shoot 10-19 from the free throw line and the Dukies shoot 30-40. Forty free throws...hmmm. (Samson Johnson has eight more made hoops than Duke.)

Told you Harkless is a beast. He is the best small forward in college basketball right now and a top 5 wing player in college basketball. He should of came to UConn to guarantee us a national championship which with him we would have been unstoppable. A lineup of Boatright/Napier, Lamb, Harkless, Oriakhi and Drummond would have been a nightmare for opposing teams.

 

[champs99and04]

I think we can officially end the Daniels/Harkless debate, at least for now. Daniels is not on Harkless' level, although I still have high hopes for him. Really too bad Harkless de-commited. He's just the type of player we need.

 

[caw]

Told you Harkless is a beast. He is the best small forward in college basketball right now and a top 5 wing player in college basketball. He should of came to UConn to guarantee us a national championship which with him we would have been unstoppable. A lineup of Boatright/Napier, Lamb, Harkless, Oriakhi and Drummond would have been a nightmare for opposing teams.

I don't think anyone disagreed with the idea that Harkless is really good, I've been a fan of his since he verballed to UConn.

Harkless has looked really good the past 2 games, but I still don't think he would posting near what he is at UConn. He would never get 20 shots in one game at UConn. I don't think he the best SF in college basketball but he might be a top 5 wing player but that is highly debatable. 2G's you have Lamb, Lamb, Waiters, etc. and at the 3 you have Barnes, Kidd-Gilchrist, Jones, Miller, Nash, Hardaway, Buford, etc.

I had and still have an issue with your description of Daniels as unathletic and basically saying Daniels had no shot of ever catching up to Harkless, when talking about freshman in college.

 

[MarieM]

he is the big east freshman on the year

 

[Edward Sargent]

I'm ready to admit it - he's a monster.

13-21, 30 pts, 12 rebounds late against Duke.

St. John's is going to lose, but it was a really good effort at Cameron - they were down big at the half and have completely outplayed Duke in the second half.

Related note - hard to win at Cameron when you shoot 10-19 from the free throw line and the Dukies shoot 30-40. Forty free throws...hmmm. (Samson Johnson has eight more made hoops than Duke.)

He is very good, but I wonder how he would do in UCONN's system/ I am happy for the kid though because he seems to have worked very hard to get where he is.

 

[huskymagic]

I don't think anyone disagreed with the idea that Harkless is really good, I've been a fan of his since he verballed to UConn.

Harkless has looked really good the past 2 games, but I still don't think he would posting near what he is at UConn. He would never get 20 shots in one game at UConn. I don't think he the best SF in college basketball but he might be a top 5 wing player but that is highly debatable. 2G's you have Lamb, Lamb, Waiters, etc. and at the 3 you have Barnes, Kidd-Gilchrist, Jones, Miller, Nash, Hardaway, Buford, etc.

I had and still have an issue with your description of Daniels as unathletic and basically saying Daniels had no shot of ever catching up to Harkless, when talking about freshman in college.

Good post but my point from the beginning was that I knew Harkless was a big loss for us when he decommited as I saw a star in that guy's game. Considering the small forward position you can't put Buford and Hardaway in the same league as Harkless as their not as good as him. Terrence Jones is too big and slow for the 3, and wouldn't be able to guard elite wings like Harkless. Kidd-Gilchrist is solid and a very good player but he doesnt have the potential or up side that Harkless does. Perry Jones is also very good but same problem as terrence jones that he is big and slow. He is another 3/4 tweener. Barnes is the best out of the guys mentioned but he is missing something mentally. He doesnt seem to have the passion and drive to be the best and settles too much for jumpers. I see Harrison Barnes as a bigger version of OJ Mayo in the NBA. Harkless has potential to be next rudy gay thats how good i think he is.

P.S. I like Daniels as a person and he's a hard worker but he doesn't have good quickness or athleticism. He can't drive or finish shots well. His shooting form is slightly off, and doesn't shoot at a high percentage. He is also very weak and can't guard his man off the dribble. This is what I have seen from him. Hopefully, he improves alot and proves me wrong.

 

[ctchamps]

Good post but my point from the beginning was that I knew Harkless was a big loss for us when he decommited as I saw a star in that guy's game. Considering the small forward position you can't put Buford and Hardaway in the same league as Harkless as their not as good as him. Terrence Jones is too big and slow for the 3, and wouldn't be able to guard elite wings like Harkless. Kidd-Gilchrist is solid and a very good player but he doesnt have the potential or up side that Harkless does. Perry Jones is also very good but same problem as terrence jones that he is big and slow. He is another 3/4 tweener. Barnes is the best out of the guys mentioned but he is missing something mentally. He doesnt seem to have the passion and drive to be the best and settles too much for jumpers. I see Harrison Barnes as a bigger version of OJ Mayo in the NBA. Harkless has potential to be next rudy gay thats how good i think he is.

P.S. I like Daniels as a person and he's a hard worker but he doesn't have good quickness or athleticism. He can't drive or finish shots well. His shooting form is slightly off, and doesn't shoot at a high percentage. He is also very weak and can't guard his man off the dribble. This is what I have seen from him. Hopefully, he improves alot and proves me wrong.

This is a much better post than some of your others on the same subject matter. You've made all your points without flaming on DD or posters. Continue posting like this and you can be a pro. Post with flaming and you are a tweener not ready for the pros.

 

[Burnsbros23]

Yah Harkless Daniels debate over was wrong on that one. I dont know if Harkless is a top 5 wing in college bball but he is really good. Funny think is he De-committed from us because he didnt wanna play the 4. And he plays the 4 at STJ.

 

[caw]

Good post but my point from the beginning was that I knew Harkless was a big loss for us when he decommited as I saw a star in that guy's game. Considering the small forward position you can't put Buford and Hardaway in the same league as Harkless as their not as good as him. Terrence Jones is too big and slow for the 3, and wouldn't be able to guard elite wings like Harkless. Kidd-Gilchrist is solid and a very good player but he doesnt have the potential or up side that Harkless does. Perry Jones is also very good but same problem as terrence jones that he is big and slow. He is another 3/4 tweener. Barnes is the best out of the guys mentioned but he is missing something mentally. He doesnt seem to have the passion and drive to be the best and settles too much for jumpers. I see Harrison Barnes as a bigger version of OJ Mayo in the NBA. Harkless has potential to be next rudy gay thats how good i think he is.

P.S. I like Daniels as a person and he's a hard worker but he doesn't have good quickness or athleticism. He can't drive or finish shots well. His shooting form is slightly off, and doesn't shoot at a high percentage. He is also very weak and can't guard his man off the dribble. This is what I have seen from him. Hopefully, he improves alot and proves me wrong.

I will respectfully disagree about Daniels for now, I want to see how he comes to play as a Soph. I do agree he is weak, but that's it.

You said he was the best SF player in college, that is the assertion I disagreed with. Whether he may be the best NBA prospect at the SF position of those playing in college, that is a different argument, and he might be (I might put it between him and Kidd-Gilchrist at this moment, I also haven't seen enough of Nash). As for college wing-players, I forgot McDermott.

Barnes has more potential, he is just very bad at utilizing it, that I agree on. I do think OJ Mayo is a bad comparison, mainly because OJ is just sulky and seems like a bad teammate (prior to this year) whereas Barnes is actually too passive. I guess it ends in the same result.

 

[Burnsbros23]

Daniels appears to be really tight in the hips which kills him on defense. Offense needs to sure up his handle and strength then his game will be better. He shoots a set shot but has a high release. He doesnt shoot many mid range shots so its hard to know if he elevates more on that. He is a decent run jump athlete but just looks awkward cause he has really short strides.

I still think he will be a good player its just going to take more time than most envisioned.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Good post but my point from the beginning was that I knew Harkless was a big loss for us when he decommited as I saw a star in that guy's game. Considering the small forward position you can't put Buford and Hardaway in the same league as Harkless as their not as good as him. Terrence Jones is too big and slow for the 3, and wouldn't be able to guard elite wings like Harkless. Kidd-Gilchrist is solid and a very good player but he doesnt have the potential or up side that Harkless does. Perry Jones is also very good but same problem as terrence jones that he is big and slow. He is another 3/4 tweener. Barnes is the best out of the guys mentioned but he is missing something mentally. He doesnt seem to have the passion and drive to be the best and settles too much for jumpers. I see Harrison Barnes as a bigger version of OJ Mayo in the NBA. Harkless has potential to be next rudy gay thats how good i think he is.

P.S. I like Daniels as a person and he's a hard worker but he doesn't have good quickness or athleticism. He can't drive or finish shots well. His shooting form is slightly off, and doesn't shoot at a high percentage. He is also very weak and can't guard his man off the dribble. This is what I have seen from him. Hopefully, he improves alot and proves me wrong.

No need to draw the comparison. THey are different people, developing at different rates. Both will be good.

 

[TheRogers]

I don't think Harkless would get the same production at UCONN given the way JC coaches. On the flip side, DD would be getting big numbers if he was at St Johns. The difference is that come junior year, DD's game will be ready for the pros and not look like an improved AAU payer.

 

[MCNPA]

I don't think Harkless would get the same production at UCONN given the way JC coaches. On the flip side, DD would be getting big numbers if he was at St Johns. The difference is that come junior year, DD's game will be ready for the pros and not look like an improved AAU payer.

Improved AAU player? C'mon. Harkless is a lottery pick if he leaves after his sophomore year and is on the cusp this year. He was easily the best player on the court against Duke yesterday and it wasn't even close. Duke had nobody near as good. Daniels isn't even close at the point, just because he's the same height. Some of these comparisons are nuts.

 

[mauconnfan]

Improved AAU player? C'mon. Harkless is a lottery pick if he leaves after his sophomore year and is on the cusp this year. He was easily the best player on the court against Duke yesterday and it wasn't even close. Duke had nobody near as good. Daniels isn't even close at the point, just because he's the same height. Some of these comparisons are nuts.

You're right you cannot compare these 2. One gets all the minutes he wants and deserves while the other is on a team which has comparable parts and is in a constant battle for time at practice as well as games. One gets to play through his mistakes the other gets to sit when he makes them. Mo is a very very good player while DD will be but does not have the luxury of finding out. It wouldn't seem to be close at this point but there's no way of telling. I doubt DD would be as good at this point as Mo is BE ready but I wouldn't count out who will be better in 3-4 years at this point either!