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Message: [QUOTE="Plebe, post: 2587834, member: 6927"] To put it mildly, I think there's some overstatement going on here. According to Massey ratings (your preferred reference): [INDENT]2. Baylor 6. Texas 18. Oklahoma St 33. Oklahoma 35. West Virginia 48. TCU[/INDENT] Oklahoma State has a higher Massey rating than both Duke (19) and NC State (20), which are 4th and 5th among ACC teams. It's hyperbolic to assert that Oklahoma State and Oklahoma would lose "regularly" to all of the top 8 of the ACC. The top 7 of the SEC is a higher bar, with all of those teams in the top 30 of Massey. But still, I wouldn't bet too heavily against Oklahoma State or Oklahoma against the likes of LSU and Texas A&M. Speaking of A&M, lest we forget, they lost in the OOC to West Virginia — and that wasn't even on a neutral court. [/QUOTE]