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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 2508571, member: 7492"] Thank you for clarifying, and what I guess has me confused are two of the basic premises that you seem to have issue with: Mt. Rushmore which has 4 faces of American Presidents supposedly deemed to be our most important up until 1934 (hence FDR exclusion). I don't mean to be rude on this but if you don't understand why people would then use an analogy for any other category to put their top 4 faces, then I guess we don't need any further discussion. Most of the others seem to grasp this. So yes, you saying you don't understand that analogy is sort of frustrating as you come across a tad dour on it. My other head-scratcher is your word arbitrary, which as defined: [I]arbitrary-[/I]based on [B]random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system[/B] Most people here have used logic-even Justine, which is that person's opinion and I respect that, I don't agree at all but I understand where that opinion is coming from. Does Justine need to embolden or use all caps, which is the equivalent of shouting or insulting? Probably not. So all this said-do you have a top four? Again, I do appreciate your clarification. Thanks. [/QUOTE]