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I was miffed at the time and still am when Kia's head was landed on by a Temple player: why is it not a foul if you are already on the ground trying to secure the ball and one of the other teams players takes a flying leap and lands on your head. No foul, tie ball. I have seen this before in contested balls and usually no foul is called. Can someone impart some insight into why this is? My own personal experience playing in a high school JV game was getting knocked unconscious when someone landed on my head going for a loose ball so I do not remember if a foul was called.
 
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bellairehusky said:
I thought they gave Kia the timeout before the head slam, hence no foul.
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Correct...but wrong. What would happen with a rule like that in hockey, or football, or baseball, or boxing? :eek:
 
cohenzone said:
My, how women's hoop fans have evolved. And the snobs on the Men's board think we're a bunch of pansies.
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It's easy to label people 'pansies' on a keyboard due to the 'consequence' factor.

In real life, not so easy.
 
I think that all loose balls should be awarded to UConn because after all - they are UConn. Opposing teams should not be allowed to compete for any loose ball and if, God forbid, there should be any contact with a UConn player while trying to secure a loose ball the offending player should be sent immediately to the penalty box. :rolleyes:

Whenever a play like that occurs, I try to look at the play objectively. Would I have thought it a foul if a UConn player, while diving for a loose ball, accidentally landed on an opponent? Besides, if the ball was dead and if there was no obvious intent (intent would resulted in a technical) to concuss than there should be no foul ( BB rules guys can weigh in here).

The only confusion for me was if Nurse called the TO before she was thumped. If I understood the commentators correctly she did.
 
bellairehusky said:
I thought they gave Kia the timeout before the head slam, hence no foul.
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Technically (pun intended) the official if on the ball (again) :D. Should have called a dead ball foul which would be a technical;).
Rule 10 / Fouls And Penalties Page 93 Article 16 states:
A player flagrantly or excessively contacting an opponent while the ball is dead.
http://g-macsports.com/custompages/...oks/Basketball_Womens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf
A time out does not excuse a foul, no malice, just say'n.
 
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Woof 101 said:
Technically (pun intended) the official if on the ball (again) :D. Should have called a dead ball foul which would be a technical;).
Rule 10 / Fouls And Penalties Page 93 Article 16 states:
A player flagrantly or excessively contacting an opponent while the ball is dead.
http://g-macsports.com/custompages/...oks/Basketball_Womens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf
A time out does not excuse a foul, no malice, just say'n.
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Yes, it would have to have been a flagrant foul at the dead ball for it to be called. You can argue that what happened was flagrant or not. A player diving for a ball and landing on someones head is not necessarily a flagrant foul. It could be a regular foul, which means no foul called since the foul occurred after the time out. a timeout does in fact excuse a regular foul not a flagrant one.
 
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Great thread, I see fouls called when there is no contact (or minimal) on a drive to the basket. Then there is a lose ball and it looks like an NFL fumble- anything goes
 
Checkmate said:
Great thread, I see fouls called when there is no contact (or minimal) on a drive to the basket. Then there is a lose ball and it looks like an NFL fumble- anything goes
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A foul is when the ref blows the whistle and calls a foul, whatever the definition is! :)
 
Loose balls and possible tie-ups should only occur when players are face-to-face. Under no circumstance should a player tie up the ball while "gently" wrapping the arms around a players back. It should be a foul. This is not the rule. I wish it was.

Likewise, going for a loose ball and clipping another player should be an automatic foul, independent of whether the player actually gets the ball. It is a penalty in football for gods sake. BTW, I have seen Kia be guilty of this and she was not called, so this is not a UConn vs everyone else thing.
 
I agree that a foul should have been called. But I think back to the Men vs. Duke in the 1999 NC game, when Jake Voskuhl channele his inner Hulk Hogan and dropped the big elbow on a Duke player chasing after a loose ball.

Difference: In that case, they were after a loose ball, in this case, Nurse had the ball, and they were trying to get it loose. Flagrant 1; two shots and the ball.
 
bellairehusky said:
Yes, it would have to have been a flagrant foul at the dead ball for it to be called. You can argue that what happened was flagrant or not. A player diving for a ball and landing on someones head is not necessarily a flagrant foul. It could be a regular foul, which means no foul called since the foul occurred after the time out. a timeout does in fact excuse a regular foul not a flagrant one.
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Again no personal attack here but you missed the second portion / interpretation of the rule. While it may have not been done in a flagrant manner it was excessive. Accidental or not it should have been called.
I guess like beauty, head smashing is in the eyes of the beholder / official . :)
 
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Woof 101 said:
Again no personal attack here but you missed the second portion / interpretation of the rule. While it may have not been done in a flagrant manner it was excessive. Accidental or not it should have been called.
I guess like beauty, head smashing is in the eyes of the beholder / official . :)
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I agree it's interpetation. Had a flagrant/excessive foul been called I would not have argued it. But personally I would not have called that play flagrant or excessive. When a ball is on the floor and players jump towards it, I would call it a foul and not flagrant or excessive unless there was clear intent. I agree with others that they should call more fouls on plays such as this - might be why jump balls are called so quickly so as to avoid the "fumbled ball scrum".
 
Mo got clobbered too going after a loose ball. No call there either.
 
bellairehusky said:
I thought they gave Kia the timeout before the head slam, hence no foul.
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If she called the timeout prior to the girl jumping on her head, then there only would have been a "dead ball foul", which they would have to dream flagrant and/or intentional. You are correct. I replayed it 5 times- The other issue is, she was so out of position to even make an attempt on that ball- which should have been the foul call. And her head got pounded. It really has become open season on UConn, IMO because we are just so good- they don't call the game evenly.
 
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Biff solves the debate with his video! Proper call should have been a double dribble on Kia before the scrum even took place! ;)
Having said that, nothing like some good banter / dialog with a few facts thrown into the mix. :D This is part of why Connecticut fans are considered some of the most intelligent in the game!:)
 
Biff u were on it as usual- I think she double dribbled twice prior- how do they miss those calls? Not sure if Woof is being sarcastic above? :)
 
In general - when the ball is loose you can have a lot of contact diving for the ball. As at any other time, you can't stop an opponent from trying for it, but you can crash with one player getting the worst of it (even, knocked out) with no foul.

Folks forget that it isn't the amount of contact that determines the foul, only how, when, where and the type of contact.

Based on the reported facts, the only possible foul calls would be if it was judged that the player deliberately was trying to injure (unlikely) or ignored the dead ball whistle (too bang / bang of a play).
 
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