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Message: [QUOTE="upstater, post: 2489600, member: 153"] People complained about that 2014 team all year. Some people here totally disappeared after they won it. As for who has a better CHANCE of winning, you may be right. But the point is to win, and they did. It's a very difficult thing to do unless you ave all the advantages (Duke). It's not a moot point. Your first sentence shows that on any redo, chances are they don't win. So, the question is, go another way or VERY LIKELY do not come anywhere close to winning, or take 2014 plus the years that followed. [/QUOTE]