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Message: [QUOTE="UConnJim, post: 3718375, member: 1559"] Until the early 1950s, the NIT was considered the most prestigious or equivalent college basketball tournament to the NCAA tournament. By the mid 1950s, the NCAA was more prestigious than the NIT and eventually the NIT became a second tier tournament. Generally, the top Northeastern teams would choose the NIT over the NCAA tournament, although some played in both until the NCAA prohibited it. In 1953, Seton Hall won the NIT and Indiana won the NCAA. In the final AP poll, Indiana was ranked 1 and Seton Hall was ranked 2. So, NC State competed in 2 NITs when they were prestigious (before 1960) and Seton Hall competed in 7 and won one. As for cherry picking the stats, NC State has not won an ACC Conference Tournament since 1987 or 33 years ago! Honestly, I really don't see any real difference between NC State and Seton Hall. Since 1987, the last year NC State won the ACC Tournament, here are the stats for NC State and Seton Hall: [U]Record[/U]: NC State: 627-474 0.569 winning % Seton Hall: 616-456 0.574 winning % [U]Post season[/U]: NC State - 14 NCAA Tournaments, record of 13-14. Sweet 16s = 4, Final 4s = 0. Seton Hall - 13 NCAA Tournaments, record of 16-13. Sweet 16s = 4, Final 4s = 1. As for NIT bids. since 1987, NC State has had 7 bids and Seton Hall has had 8 bids. [U]Conference Championships[/U]: NC State: Regular season = 1, Tournament = 1 Seton Hall: Regular season = 3, Tournament = 3. [U]AP All-Americans[/U]: NC State: 2 second team, 1 third team Seton Hall: 1 first team, 1 second team [/QUOTE]

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