Kelly Graves Supports New NCAA Transfer Proposal

[Floridaduck]

Kelly Graves supportive of new NCAA transfer proposal

Kelly Graves supportive of new NCAA transfer proposal

247sports.com

 

[SECbbfan24]

Let the player poaching games begin

 

[eebmg]

At the bottom of article, Muffet McGraw is against it.

 

[Argonaut]

Muffet would be singing a different tune if she had someone on her bench this year that was twiddling her thumbs while the Irish were struggling to keep their heads above water. She likes the current system because it has worked out well for her.

I have been hoping for a while that this is the route that the NCAA would take, but they have to be completely firm on the fact that you get one transfer -- no sob stories to let a kid go somewhere else their junior or senior year having already transferred once. Want a second transfer? Graduate early.

 

[militarydog]

I’d like to hear more discussion from both sides on this. However first impression I’m not sure I am in favor. In contrast I do like the grad transfer for players that have graduated. It encourages players to go ahead and get their degrees. While I know programs go after some talented players to plug holes for a year, I’ve also seen where a player was not playing much and grad transferred to a smaller school.

 

[Plebe]

I’d like to hear more discussion from both sides on this. However first impression I’m not sure I am in favor. In contrast I do like the grad transfer for players that have graduated. It encourages players to go ahead and get their degrees. While I know programs go after some talented players to plug holes for a year, I’ve also seen where a player was not playing much and grad transferred to a smaller school.

In theory that sounds nice, but I believe most of these "grad transfers" are not actually completing their graduate degrees. It's just being exploited as a convenient loophole in the vast majority of cases.

 

[militarydog]

In theory that sounds nice, but I believe most of these "grad transfers" are not actually completing their graduate degrees. It's just being exploited as a convenient loophole in the vast majority of cases.

I’m talking about it encouraging players to get their undergraduate degrees. The part I don’t like is that the new school has to have a graduate major not offered at the old school. This just encourages dishonesty. I also understand that the player has to be in good standing after the graduate year or it impacts the school’s ability to get other transfers.

 

[JDuro]

 

[Plebe]

Well said by Dawn.

FWIW let's not kid ourselves, the "in their ears" stuff happens already. Greater freedom of movement will only exacerbate the tampering and poaching.

 

[Plebe]

I’m talking about it encouraging players to get their undergraduate degrees. The part I don’t like is that the new school has to have a graduate major not offered at the old school. This just encourages dishonesty. I also understand that the player has to be in good standing after the graduate year or it impacts the school’s ability to get other transfers.

Help me understand this.

So without the grad transfer exemption, a player would be more likely to slack off their schooling and fail to complete their degree even while playing four years of basketball?

You're saying the grad transfers are players who might otherwise have failed to graduate from the prior school?

 

[MSSportsGuy]

I've said it before and will again:
I am not a fan of transfer waiver rules. If a player wants to transfer they can. These players are, in most cases, being given a scholarship, be a college student, and allowed to participate in practice. They just can't participate in contests against other teams.

I do have less of a problem with the graduate transfer rule although I do think it has been exploited.

 

[militarydog]

Help me understand this.

So without the grad transfer exemption, a player would be more likely to slack off their schooling and fail to complete their degree even while playing four years of basketball?

You're saying the grad transfers are players who might otherwise have failed to graduate from the prior school?

I don’t see how you could get that from what what I said. I didn’t say or imply that at all. All I said was that I was in favor of the grad transfer rule because it encourages players to go ahead and get their undergraduate degrees and pursue graduate degrees. Just because a rule encourages or reinforces a good behavior doesn’t mean an individual would have otherwise behaved in a contrary manner.

Regarding the grad rule I think I relayed this story in an earlier post on a positive experience I saw with it. I had a relative whose daughter was recruited to a larger school for basketball. She did okay but wasn’t playing a lot of minutes. She approached the head coach about redshirting and finishing her degree then grad transferring. She agreed to let the player do that. The player finished her undergraduate degree then grad transferred to a smaller school with two years left to play. She completed her grad degree and won a conference title while playing a big role on the team. Overall it was a good situation for everyone as her former school had the befit of play while she was there and had an athlete graduate with a very high gpa. Her new school depended on her ability to win the championship and had an athlete graduate in grad school with a high gpa. The player had a good experience at both schools and an undergraduate and graduate degree.

 

[mhshuskies]

Muffet would be singing a different tune if she had someone on her bench this year that was twiddling her thumbs while the Irish were struggling to keep their heads above water. She likes the current system because it has worked out well for her.

I have been hoping for a while that this is the route that the NCAA would take, but they have to be completely firm on the fact that you get one transfer -- no sob stories to let a kid go somewhere else their junior or senior year having already transferred once. Want a second transfer? Graduate early.

Exactly, this is extending “The notre dame Special Rule” to all schools.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Presume this Transfer Rule is implemented, here's what I do if I'm a college coach of a High Level(Elite) or Building Program.

1) Continue to Recruit and give scholarships to High Level Recruits that I project will be starters in their Freshmen or latest Sophomore Years.
2) Sign 3 or 4 Developmental Players, primarily to fill the tale end of the Roster.
3) Poach/Recruit Experienced College Players as necessary to fill in the Roster and make up for Gaps in Recruiting.
4) If I had a Player that wasn't developing as projected, I would pull the scholarship and replace player with an experienced player from another team.

What ND would have done this year, is they would have signed 5 or 6 players from other teams to fill in their roster. They would have found players willing to transfer to one of the Elite WBB Programs.

Smaller Programs would develop players for one to three years and then the schools that annually compete for Final Fours will come in attempting to Poach/Recruit players saying to the player you're the missing piece for us winning a National Championship.

Perhaps the NCAA should allow players to Transfer and Immediately play, but put a limit on the number of transfer players a team can have on their roster.

 

[jonson]

I think that there is one aspect of the new transfer proposal that seems to have been overlooked: namely, that the school from which the player is transferring must "grant a transfer release" in order for the player to transfer without sitting out. This is the same rule that is currently in place for sports that theoretically allow a student to transfer without a waiting period. For example, bcause Arizona State did not grant a release to a freshman softball recruit who wanted to transfer to Oregon, she had to sit a year before playing for the Ducks as a redshirt freshman. As far as I can tell, the same requirement will be in place for WBB players if the new rule passes, and that means, in turn, that a team can prevent immediate playing time for any player leaving by not granting the release. Whether many coaches will choose to do that is an open question, but it is certainly a possibility.

 

[nwhoopfan]

That's a good point @jonson . I think it's fairly rare for a school to decline to grant a release. I think doing so routinely would be shooting oneself in the foot. If you get a reputation for not letting players leave, that would have to hurt recruiting.

 

[jonson]

That's a good point @jonson . I think it's fairly rare for a school to decline to grant a release. I think doing so routinely would be shooting oneself in the foot. If you get a reputation for not letting players leave, that would have to hurt recruiting.

I agree, but it is a possibility that ASU took advantage of in this instance. (The player in question had yet played a single game for ASU.) On the other hand, Oregon granted releases to some 8 or so players when the softball coach left for Texas, many of them starters.