Maybe a higher power's way of telling Boren, UT and crew to quit messing around?
Poll numbers confirm a nightmarish start for the Big 12
Poll numbers confirm a nightmarish start for the Big 12
This does not help us in any way. Makes Houston a more likely add. See ACC, circa 2012 . . .
This does not help us in any way. Makes Houston a more likely add. See ACC, circa 2012 . . .
Sort of related here cause there is some dead weight in the Big 12 at the bottom, but I wonder if we'll ever see a P5 conference expel a school again? The Big East dumped Temple cause of their on-field performance and perceived lack of investment in their football program and other schools through the years have voluntarily left P5 conferences (Tulane left the SEC in the 60s because of a concern that they were losing academically at the expense of football), but I wonder if we'll ever see that again.
There is some serious dead weight in the P5 (BC and Wake in ACC, Purdue in the B1G for example). Wonder if any other school will ever get its walking papers.
Athletic success can be cyclical. No, the old boys club never kicks-out it own as politically and image wise it would cause problems. Temple was a unique situation as it was a mutual split between them and the old Big East as Temple as the on field results were an embarrassment to both sides and Temple did not have the resources to build immediately and instead had to follow a slower path that moving to the MAC gave them. Plus, conference decisions are made by university presidents who enjoy the opportunity to rub elbows with the academic elites and while Wake and BC have had limited on-field success lately, especially in football, the two carry a lot of prestige academically.
Or, they like them as much as they liked Maryland for bringing easy W's to their schedule.Yeah, I think that's probably right. Though you wonder how much a Catholic school in Boston that can't win on the field or on the court can continue to rub elbows with the good ole boys down South before resentment builds.
Or, they like them as much as they liked Maryland for bringing easy W's to their schedule.
This does not help us in any way. Makes Houston a more likely add. See ACC, circa 2012 . . .
Yeah, I think that's probably right. Though you wonder how much a Catholic school in Boston that can't win on the field or on the court can continue to rub elbows with the good ole boys down South before resentment builds.
No. They are down because the SEC, Pac, and B1G have entered their territory and are stealing their recruits. Adding within their own recruiting area will only dilute the Texas recruit pool further. Compare Texas which would then have 6 P5 schools (Texas, A&M, Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston) with Florida which has 3 and California which has 4. Texas would be the overfished pond. Talent dilution would mean they might never have another playoff team.
No, if the B12 wants to survive, it needs to become a national conference. It needs UConn -- the northeast is the underfished part of the country that is up for grabs. If it adds Houston, it is to fill in for a Texas departure. In that case, they are doing a controlled demolition of the conference.
You add Houston and hope for a Louisville result? Transitory success in one sport is no way to base a decision on a conference addition. Jez, it's still September and people are already crowning LV! Now they want to crown Houston too! E-F-F-I-N-G madness! Let's see what happens.
BTW, anything brewing on the pimping and prostitute front for LV BB? (Oh that's right Emmert is in charge of the investigation.) Last October, that was the hot topic. Now everyone suggests they're the savior for the ACC? Let's see what develops in the next few months or even years for LV. I am confident they will come back to earth or below. People do have short memories, but come on - LV, the class of the ACC and Houston, the class of the Big 12? Give me a break!
I'm not sure who you are responding to. My post was only referring to markets, which I think drive realignment. If the B12 loses Texas, they have no presence in Houston/Austin/San Antonio and Houston becomes a very attractive expansion candidate based on its geographical proximity and large potential market.
I agree with you that ephemeral football performance cannot be a major factor. For Houston, it is as much a negative (diluting the other B12 schools that recruit Texas) as a positive.
Sort of related here cause there is some dead weight in the Big 12 at the bottom, but I wonder if we'll ever see a P5 conference expel a school again? The Big East dumped Temple cause of their on-field performance and perceived lack of investment in their football program and other schools through the years have voluntarily left P5 conferences (Tulane left the SEC in the 60s because of a concern that they were losing academically at the expense of football), but I wonder if we'll ever see that again.
There is some serious dead weight in the P5 (BC and Wake in ACC, Purdue in the B1G for example). Wonder if any other school will ever get its walking papers.
Won't happen, at least collectively. Christian colleges tend to stick together, i.e. 'us versus them' or 'we got God so we are better than you' mentality, so Wake will support BC. Undergraduate-wise, Duke and, BC are peers and Duke has only found religion, i.e. football, recently and thus will not throw stones in a glass house. UVA is about the same as Duke. U Miami needs BC not because of football; but , because so many kids from the Northeast go to the U and they need that northern exposure to keep that pipeline open. Syracuse and Pitt are indebted to BC for blackballing UConn and thus getting them out the old Big East and both need a least one school in the ACC they can beat in football. They rest may feel some resentment; but, not enough to override university presidents within their own school or within the ACC as a whole.
Temple was NOT a Big East member when their football team played in the league. They were an associated member that had one team -- football -- playing in the Big East by permission. Them being booted is not a precedent for Wake or Vandy or anyone else being thrown out of a conference.
Agreed, definitely not analogous at all, just using it as an example of a football conference that has dumped a program before.
Is there actual precedence for a conference dumping an all-sports member? Tulane and Georgia Tech voluntarily left the SEC and South Carolina voluntarily left the ACC, but I can't think of an example of an all-sports member being dumped by a prominent conference.
The Big 12 is down because they play a bastardized version of football that incorporates zero defense.
And oh yeah they have stunk in the recruiting rankings - maybe being on Fox is less than ideal.