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Message: [QUOTE="Hunt for 7, post: 4806042, member: 12414"] He may be a cheater but you could see he was a great coach pretty quickly. I got to see it personally as I was living in Chicago when he coached Illinois. I knew the Illinois SID and he always spoke highly of what a great guy Self was. Go back and look at his record starting in 1998 with Tulsa. It’s like he wins the regular season or conference tourney championships every year. He put Illinois back on the map as they had a bad run after Lou “Do” Henson left. Weber did ok after Self left but I really do think he was drafting on the program Self had created in his short three years at the school. [/QUOTE]