Jeff Jacobs: UConn’s Benedict a portrait of calm

[huskymedic]

Jeff Jacobs: UConn’s Benedict a portrait of calm

 

[August_West]

some guy is a transparent panderer.


Hi Jeff!

 

[CL82]

“Coming to a place like UConn, you don’t expect ‘hope’ to be part of what you’re dealing with when it comes to the postseason,” Benedict said. “It is an expectation that we should be going to the NCAA every year. There’s no way around that. Regardless of what people say about the (AAC) or anything else …

“That’s what we expect. That’s what we’ll get back to.”

So some jumped on a Calhoun quote and thought it said a lot about UConn's mindset in firing KO. I was a critical of that, but I couldn't help but wonder about this one. As long as this was properly communicated to Ollie that making the NCAAs was an expectation of the position, repeated failure to do so would meet "just cause" under the CBA.

 

[whaler11]

Finally some pro quo.

Will Jacobs follow this up with Benedict wasn’t a source for this story?

 

[JMick]

Finally some pro quo.

Will Jacobs follow this up with Benedict wasn’t a source for this story?

I'm pretty sure the source for his original story was a donor

 

[whaler11]

I'm pretty sure the source for his original story was a donor

Which means Benedict played telephone.

It’s just funny. Speaks to the people we are talking about though. Minutes after the highlight of the season the machine was at work. But Benedict ‘agonized’. LOL.

 

[businesslawyer]

“Coming to a place like UConn, you don’t expect ‘hope’ to be part of what you’re dealing with when it comes to the postseason,” Benedict said. “It is an expectation that we should be going to the NCAA every year. There’s no way around that. Regardless of what people say about the (AAC) or anything else …

“That’s what we expect. That’s what we’ll get back to.”

So some jumped on a Calhoun quote and thought it said a lot about UConn's mindset in firing KO. I was a critical of that, but I couldn't help but wonder about this one. As long as this was properly communicated to Ollie that making the NCAAs was an expectation of the position, repeated failure to do so would meet "just cause" under the CBA.

LOL. No. "just cause" does no mean that your boss doesn't think you're doing a good enough job. If UConn wanted failure to win enough games to constitute "just cause" they needed to explicitly say that in the contract.

 

[JMick]

LOL. No. "just cause" does no mean that your boss doesn't think you're doing a good enough job. If UConn wanted failure to win enough games to constitute "just cause" they needed to explicitly say that in the contract.

He's referring to the CBA and not the contract. I still don't think wins/losses matters in that context, but I'm not a lawyer

 

[businesslawyer]

He's referring to the CBA and not the contract. I still don't think wins/losses matters in that context, but I'm not a lawyer

The CBA -- applicable to all faculty -- will not contain a definition of cause that include failure to qualify for the NCAA tournament.

 

[UConnStats]

some guy is a transparent panderer.

 

[JMick]

The CBA -- applicable to all faculty -- will not contain a definition of cause that include failure to qualify for the NCAA tournament.

No but doesn't it have a job performance clause? That's going to be different for every position. Not trying to argue, just thinking out loud.

 

[jimva]

LOL. No. "just cause" does no mean that your boss doesn't think you're doing a good enough job. If UConn wanted failure to win enough games to constitute "just cause" they needed to explicitly say that in the contract.

WRONG. If it was brought up in his annual review and he didn't take step to improve they have just cause.

 

[NowInStorrs]

If the a and the l were flipped around, that title would have a totally different meaning.

 

[CL82]

LOL. No. "just cause" does no mean that your boss doesn't think you're doing a good enough job. If UConn wanted failure to win enough games to constitute "just cause" they needed to explicitly say that in the contract.

Well let's see exactly what the CBA says:

That sure looks like you can let the employee know that via written evaluations that they are failing to meet satisfactory standards, doesn't it?

 

[UConnSwag11]

Some Guy*

 

[businesslawyer]

Well let's see exactly what the CBA says:
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That sure looks like you can let the employee know that via written evaluations that they are failing to meet satisfactory standards, doesn't it?

"generally accepted." Not the arbitrary desires of their boss.

 

[CL82]

"generally accepted." Not the arbitrary desires of their boss.

Great point, well except that "arbitrary desires of their boss" was the phrase that you threw into the conversation.

 

[businesslawyer]

Great point, well except that "arbitrary desires of their boss" was the phrase that you threw into the conversation.

That's exactly my point. Wanting to qualify for the tournament every year is the arbitrary desire of their boss. it is not a "generally accepted" reason for termination.

If you're going to roll eyes, please be smart enough not to do it because you can't understand what you're being told.

 

[CL82]

That's exactly my point. Wanting to qualify for the tournament every year is the arbitrary desire of their boss. it is not a "generally accepted" reason for termination.

If you're going to roll eyes, please be smart enough not to do it because you can't understand what you're being told.

Okay, let's do this the slow way. Can standards be different at UConn than say the average DI school?

(And relax counselor, no need to get your panties in bunch.)

 

[MattMang23]

Welcome to the Law Office of CL82, Esq.

By any chance, does CL stand for "contract lawyer?"

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Okay, let's do this the slow way. Can standards be different at UConn than say the average DI school?

(And relax counselor, no need to get your panties in bunch.)

I think to read that provision the way you seem inclined to do would require that failing to make the NCAA tournament be generally accepted among athletic directors as furnishing "cause" to terminate a coach. That not being the case, I think you're wrong.

 

[Hoophound]

What do 37.10 and 37.11 say? If they say sucking is cause then we might have something. Otherwise, Biz and BigErn are right and not being good now and then isn’t cause. Given the 2014 title and the NCAA appearance two seasons later, I would say his performance was still above average when viewed as a total body of work.

 

[TRest]

Welcome to the Law Office of CL82, Esq.

By any chance, does CL stand for "contract lawyer?"

Savage.

 

[TRest]

The CBA -- applicable to all faculty -- will not contain a definition of cause that include failure to qualify for the NCAA tournament.

A huge relief to the Humanities department.

 

[CL82]

I think to read that provision the way you seem inclined to do would require that failing to make the NCAA tournament be generally accepted among athletic directors as furnishing "cause" to terminate a coach. That not being the case, I think you're wrong.

That would be a reach. Failing to make it two years in a row, at a blue blood program with a warning after the first year would be less of one. Having a losing record two years row, particularly after a documented warning not much of a reach at all.