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Message: [QUOTE="auror, post: 2052275, member: 1329"] I think Sir Onion's point is that the stats are being used AFTER already determining he's great (as mentioned upthread), not using them to prove that he's great. So what's the point of the stats then? If you're using them to illustrate degree of greatness by the company he keeps, then the endpoints do become important as that determines the list. I'd like to see some combination of pure point rating and points per possession, and take the cross-section of players in the top say 90th percentile of both. Still arbitrary (note the "say"), but at least it's mathematically arbitrary and not cherry-picked haha. Plus I'd like to see turnovers involved (as in pure point rating), because PGs limiting turnovers is incredibly important. DraftExpress does have [URL='http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?q=&year=2017&league=NCAA&per=per40pace&qual=prospects&sort2=DESC&pos=PG&stage=all&min=20&conference=All&sort=16']pure point rating[/URL] and PPP, but you can't filter. Spoiler alert, there's a bunch of freshman and sophomores who have both higher PPR and PPP (PS Lonzo Ball looks like a stud in this). [/QUOTE]