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Message: [QUOTE="JordyG, post: 2338586, member: 6819"] Jake and Robinson fought 5 times because no one else wanted to get in the ring with Sugar. Jake didn't care who was across from him. Jake didn't care that he lost to Ray 4 times. He had more guts and heart than Graziano, Zale and all the other middleweights of the time combined. Rocky and Tony fought each other 3 times because in truth they were afraid to fight Ray or Jake. Frankly though I've always bristled because of the fame Jake received because of the film. Ray, the greatest welterweight, middleweight, and one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time has never had a film done of him for lack of funding. Lack of funding. This of course is not fault of Jake and shouldn't detract [B]at all [/B]from his greatness and glory. But where are the films chronicling Sugar or even Louis Armstrong, the most important figure in modern popular music? Hopefully their time will come. [/QUOTE]