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Message: [QUOTE="dennismenace, post: 2129598, member: 6158"] I think we all wanted to see those guys get good PT. Then, almost like a break, due to injuries we got a real long look at them. So did KO and the coaching staff. We will never know what KO did or did not say to them at the end. I think it is pretty clear that both are very deficient on defense. SE's overall deficiencies worse than VJ. They have to be all in on [B]KO's agenda (D first[/B]) not some fantasy about a lottery pick with their offensive moves when they have such glaring faults. We don't know how much time and energy was spent on them in practice as well. Possible that the staff reached the conclusion that they cannot or will not cooperate with the progress that is expected. No one saying SE is a "bum"; just not progressing and/or not happy. Time to move on for both and I wish them the best. Looking forward to the new recruits, injured returning and whoever else we may add. I like the fact that in another article I read today in the Courant Chillious referred to KO's boundless energy and his own ability to instill TOUGHNESS in developing players. Add recruiting to that and they will make a great coaching tandem. [/QUOTE]