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Message: [QUOTE="Patman, post: 5182801, member: 3391"] I mean if their position is they would never and will never pay their players that can be their position or they disagree about the rate they would pay. I'm sure the ivy league could with all honesty say that they would pay the minimal allowed. The real question, are all forms of externally imposed amateurism considered illegal? Does the local 5k owe us all appearance fees? Where's the line? Is it sponsorship that defines this? Rec hockey leagues get sponsored all the time and are just as non profit as Harvard [/QUOTE]