It's nothing short of War

[Chief00]

Quite frankly, the NCAA is trying to hammer the last nail in our coffin. This is not about his HS or AAU days this time; it's about what money was deposited in his Mom's account prior to this Christmas - as I understand it - while he played at UConn.

I may not get all the specifics right but they have shoveled a load of pain on UConn MBB this season ; in hopes that they will eventual break us. Let's see, recruiting restrictions, scholarships reduced to sanctions, scholarships reduced to APR, retroactive and double jeopardy banning us from the 2013 post season (by granting immunity to the Black Colleges for votes to hold UC to a higher standard), putting the Boatshow in dry-dock for 6 games and now for another 3 games with the clock ticking and sitting Calhoun for 3 games.

While the NCAA slept on Cam Newton's Dad - they pour over Ms Boatshow's measely bank statements with 4 investigators while PSU and Cuse have business as usual.

I suggest Mr Emmert make his bank account statement public; going back to his UConn days. We might find something interesting there.

 

[UChusky916]

I hate to think what the NCAA does when we win the ship again this year... (doomed)

 

[RS9999X]

Nike announced Platinum uniforms for 9 programs: two of those are UConn.

9 total NCAA rings in 13 years out of 26 possible. The bullseye comes with the territory.

 

[freescooter]

chief, just stop the foolishness...this is about a sleazy character, Reggie Rose, who has a history of violating NCAA rules, who somehow got involved with a kid we recruited. Look up the factors that caused Memphis to lose its 2008-9 season. Two of them were named Rose---Reggie and Derrick.

By the way, I'm still waiting for Miles to join the Huskies. You absolutely guarenteed that a couple of years ago.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Freescooter, what's the connection between this forensic examination of the Boatright's bank accounts and Reggie Rose? I wasn't aware of one.

Obviously you must know you're misrepresenting the relationship between Rose and Boatright. "Somehow got involved with ...." or has a connection going back to when the kid was in middle school? Is your contention honestly that Rose is some leech who sees a 5-10 kid who faces an uphill battle to ever play a minute in the NBA as his meal-ticket? Rather than his own f-ucking BROTHER, the reigning MVP of the NBA and recent recipient of a 5 year, $95 million contract? Wow, he must really see big things for the Boat, then.

I don't think there's a prohibition against discretion in the NCAA's charter. I'll believe this current investigation is above board as soon as Creighton pulls out Doug McDermott while the NCAA verifies the source of payment for the McDermott's last European vacation.

You sound ridiculous.

 

[UconnU]

Ncaa Regulators just have it out for us. Some one/people within the ncaa hates JC. I mean a few hundred dollars in christmas money? This has what it's came to? the ncaa and anyone associated with the ncaa regulatory body. These people are crushing this kids image, future, dreams.

 

[UofCT]

Chief00, your post kinda pumped me up. Us vs the world. NCAA hates us, clearly every other team in college basketball hates us. Lets go out there and just win the whole ducking thing.

 

[freescooter]

BigErn, Look at it this way. You're the NCAA. Somebody tips you off that this kid got impermissible benefits. You start to look into it and discover that low and behold, the guy who allegedly gave the benefits was a guy who was involved in a previous scandal at Memphis, and the big brother of a guy who paid someone to take his SATs. Go back and read about why Calipari's Memphis team had its run to the finals vacated. Two names pop up, Derrick Rose for cheating on his SAT score, and our boy Reggie for going along on free trips. these guys have a history of violating NCAA rules. Yet they, or at least Reggie, was advising Boatright! And apparently violated NCAA rules in the process. Of course the NCAA is going to look closely at case which involves a guy who has already been found in violation of their rules. Why is that ridiculous? To ignore that fact, and to fail to mention it in your reporting is an example of irresponsible journalism.

 

[imno1]

Suppose the deposits were Christmas gifts? I give cash a lot as presents.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Quite frankly, the NCAA is trying to hammer the last nail in our coffin.

And, it still remains something short of a proverbial war.

 

[freescooter]

chief,
the more I think about this, the more inane the idea that the NCAA is gunning for UCONN seems. In order to follow that logic, you have to assume that they are out to get Calhoun because....??? He said he might appeal their sanctions, but didn't? And they decided to pick on a freshman point guard who had never played a college game and who was destined to be a backup, a tleast for this season, to do it? What's next? they going to go after Jonathan the Husky statue? As far as the other things you list, UCONN violated the rules, got caught and took their medicine. Programs from around the country, big and small, have gotten caught in similar things and gotten comparable sanctions. And programs with equal or even bigger names, too. Indiana, UCLA...Syracuse...UNC...all have been sanctioned by the NCAA for one thing or another related to recruiting. Some worse, some less. Finally, on the APR stuff, it seems to me that UCONN dropped the ball. While almost every other program in the country managed to comply, even sleaze pits, the UCONN staff couldn't be bothered, and it is now coming home to bite them in the ass. It isn't like people didn't KNOW that he APR issue was out there. I remember reading something 3 years ago that it might be a problem. If I knew it, surely Jim Calhoun, George Blaney, Jeff Hathaway all knew it. yet hey didn't fix it when they had time. To say nothing of the fact that our graduation rate for basketball palyers is nothing short of a disgrace. Even worse than many slimeball programs. And we don't put that many guys in the NBA to justify it.

You know, your piece reads like something I once read in a story about a crime. The defendant said he was innocent. When the cops asked if he did it, he said, well yeah, he did it, but if the victim hadn't shown up when he did, he never would have shot him. If the NCAA didn't have any rules, I guess UCONN wouldn't have violated them.

 

[hoopsknowitall]

Not sure if the NCAA is "gunning for UCONN" but you have to admit at a minimum the NCAA sure is selective on how it takes the hammer down on programs it deems to have violated its rules. There appears to be no continuity as to how the NCAA applies punishments out to offending parties and couple that with its almost unlimited power and it opens itself up to the kind of things people have been complaining about in the Boatright case.

One look at the Cam Newton and the Corey Maggette cases and how they were handled vs. this case is all one needs to do in my book to have doubts about the NCAA. Lets face it the NCAA could give a ratz ass about anything but ensuring its money stream is protected. Boatright is being chewed up by the system and its really unfair to him what they are doing. And yes given the past UCONN deemed indisgressions, the NCAA is at a minimum not giving UCONN ANY slack here.

The APR situation is clearly a dropped ball by UCONN. Thats a whole other issue.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

BigErn, Look at it this way. You're the NCAA. Somebody tips you off that this kid got impermissible benefits. You start to look into it and discover that low and behold, the guy who allegedly gave the benefits was a guy who was involved in a previous scandal at Memphis, and the big brother of a guy who paid someone to take his SATs. Go back and read about why Calipari's Memphis team had its run to the finals vacated. Two names pop up, Derrick Rose for cheating on his SAT score, and our boy Reggie for going along on free trips. these guys have a history of violating NCAA rules. Yet they, or at least Reggie, was advising Boatright! And apparently violated NCAA rules in the process. Of course the NCAA is going to look closely at case which involves a guy who has already been found in violation of their rules. Why is that ridiculous? To ignore that fact, and to fail to mention it in your reporting is an example of irresponsible journalism.

My eyes glazed over about a line into this, but can you point out the part where you identify the connection between Reggie Rose and this current inquest into the Boatrights' bank accounts? Or is that not in there? Is your argument really that because Rose knows Boatright and paid for his plane ticket - for which he's already been sanctioned - the NCAA now has free reign to conduct a forensic examination of every aspect of Tanesha Boatright's life? And that now Boatright has to prove that every material possession she has did not come from Reggie Rose? Based on your history, i would guess that really is your position, but I'm certainly entitled to think it's inane, even for you. I will say this, it's refreshing, I guess, to find that somewhere in America there still exists one person willing to carry water for this laughingstock of an organization.

 

[Walker11]

chief,
the more I think about this, the more inane the idea that the NCAA is gunning for UCONN seems. In order to follow that logic, you have to assume that they are out to get Calhoun because....??? He said he might appeal their sanctions, but didn't? And they decided to pick on a freshman point guard who had never played a college game and who was destined to be a backup, a tleast for this season, to do it? What's next? they going to go after Jonathan the Husky statue?

Or, that they are out to teach UCONN a lesson after we were able to land an incredibly high profile recruit w/out having any scholarships available by circumventing the largest penalty imposed on the program. Makes some sense to me.

I also am confused as to why you assume that Rose is a agent type for Boatright when it has already been stated that he and Boatright's mom are long time friends.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Or, that they are out to teach UCONN a lesson after we were able to land an incredibly high profile recruit w/out having any scholarships available by circumventing the largest penalty imposed on the program. Makes some sense to me.

I also am confused as to why you assume that Rose is a agent type for Boatright when it has already been stated that he and Boatright's mom are long time friends.

There is a gray area here that is not covered by the NCAA's rules.

It has to do with the nature of relationships between recruits and individuals the NCAA views as "dirty." The NCAA may just take the stance that the nature of the relationship does not matter. Any kind of relationship with someone they don't like will open up the recruit to sanctions.

The NCAA does not follow its own precedents. It does seem from the outside that personal feelings enter into their handling of cases. This leaves schools unable to predict what the consequences will be for signing certain players. It's the inconsistency on these matters that has most fans and coaches angry with the NCAA, in my opinion. For an agency that's supposed to be about maintaining a fair and level playing field, this is piss-poor behavior.

 

[freescooter]

Or, that they are out to teach UCONN a lesson after we were able to land an incredibly high profile recruit w/out having any scholarships available by circumventing the largest penalty imposed on the program. Makes some sense to me.

I also am confused as to why you assume that Rose is a agent type for Boatright when it has already been stated that he and Boatright's mom are long time friends.

Yeah, that makes a huge amount of sense. hey those guys outfoxed us on a recruit. We'll fix them by going after their backup point guard. Jeez, if you were President during World War II, you'd probably have declared war on Guam after the attack on Pearl Harbor...the NCAA doesn't give two hoots about whether UCONN wins or doesn't win. And after the Tarkanian settlement 15 years ago, the idea that they would go after a particular coach is eaually nonsensicle.

 

[Walker11]

I don't necessarily think that the NCAA is gunning for Uconn, I was simply proposing a reason that makes some sense in response to:

" In order to follow that logic, you have to assume that they are out to get Calhoun because....??? He said he might appeal their sanctions, but didn't? And they decided to pick on a freshman point guard who had never played a college game and who was destined to be a backup, a tleast for this season, to do it?"

In order to follow that logic, the NCAA would probably want to get Calhoun because of the way the program laughed at their sanctions using a loophole, not because of Calhoun said he might appeal their decision a year ago and decided against it. I think you are intelligent enough to realize that.

 

[freescooter]

My eyes glazed over about a line into this, but can you point out the part where you identify the connection between Reggie Rose and this current inquest into the Boatrights' bank accounts? Or is that not in there? Is your argument really that because Rose knows Boatright and paid for his plane ticket - for which he's already been sanctioned - the NCAA now has free reign to conduct a forensic examination of every aspect of Tanesha Boatright's life? And that now Boatright has to prove that every material possession she has did not come from Reggie Rose? Based on your history, i would guess that really is your position, but I'm certainly entitled to think it's inane, even for you. I will say this, it's refreshing, I guess, to find that somewhere in America there still exists one person willing to carry water for this laughingstock of an organization.

Big Ern,
It is hard to tell exaclty who did what in this since nobody is really saying. But come on. Rose isn't just some friend. he was the coach, th ebrother of an NBA star who had been the subject of an NCAA scandal, and the subject of one himself. This wasn't just the local mailman from the neighborhood coaching kids in his days off. He apparently paid for more than 1 airline ticket. This wasn't some $350 violation (you can get a ticket from Chicago to Hartford for well under $400) He also might have been involved in this more recent incident/incidents as well. And to try and ignore the fact that the guy who at least paid for the tickets and has been involved in NCAA violations before was Boatright's advisor won't cause them to look at this more closely is just to ignore the real world. I get that you want Boatright to play. I do too. I do think that he is getting a raw deal and so is UCONN because of the behavior of the people who supposedly were looking out for him. Rose and his mother, maybe some others but we don't know that yet and might never know it, are the ones I'm ticked at. Because both should have known better. And don't give me any racist/sexist twaddle about his mother not knowing any better. I think she could have and should have known the rules. i suspect she was perfectly happy to get whatever bennies she could from her son's "fame." And Rose, given his and his brother's history also could have and should have known what he could and couldn't do for a prospect.

One final point is this. Nobody has a right to play college baksketball. so if she and rose wanted to make money off of Ryan they should have advised him to play overseas, or in the D-league, where people get paid for playing basketball. When they said go play at UCONN they chose to play according to the NCAA rules.

 

[freescooter]

I don't necessarily think that the NCAA is gunning for Uconn, I was simply proposing a reason that makes some sense in response to:

" In order to follow that logic, you have to assume that they are out to get Calhoun because....??? He said he might appeal their sanctions, but didn't? And they decided to pick on a freshman point guard who had never played a college game and who was destined to be a backup, a tleast for this season, to do it?"

In order to follow that logic, the NCAA would probably want to get Calhoun because of the way the program laughed at their sanctions using a loophole, not because of Calhoun said he might appeal their decision a year ago and decided against it. I think you are intelligent enough to realize that.

Walker11,
But why go after Boatright. He had absolutely zero to do with the recruitment of Drummond. Had it wanted to send a message about Drummond's recruitment, I have no doubt the NCAA could have announced it was looking into Drummond's recruitment and kept him out for a while. And there are a hundred things they could have looked into related to the timing of that and the scholarship issue. I mean it wasn't like the Drummond recruitment was normal. he had already announced he was going back to prep school. Signing day had long since past. Uconn had no scholarships and had recruiting restriction. I was fully expecting an NCAA investigation to be truthful.

 

[caw]

BigErn, Look at it this way. You're the NCAA. Somebody tips you off that this kid got impermissible benefits. You start to look into it and discover that low and behold, the guy who allegedly gave the benefits was a guy who was involved in a previous scandal at Memphis, and the big brother of a guy who paid someone to take his SATs. Go back and read about why Calipari's Memphis team had its run to the finals vacated. Two names pop up, Derrick Rose for cheating on his SAT score, and our boy Reggie for going along on free trips. these guys have a history of violating NCAA rules. Yet they, or at least Reggie, was advising Boatright! And apparently violated NCAA rules in the process. Of course the NCAA is going to look closely at case which involves a guy who has already been found in violation of their rules. Why is that ridiculous? To ignore that fact, and to fail to mention it in your reporting is an example of irresponsible journalism.

Yes and no. You are correct that Reggie and Derrick either don't know or don't care about the NCAA rules. There is no "apparent" violation, the NCAA sat Boatright the first 6 games because Reggie Rose did violate NCAA rules again.

That said, the investigation is annoying and frustrating (for me at least) because the NCAA should have done it's due diligence when they were looking into the Reggie Rose situation.

 

[Walker11]

If there was even a scent of something shady going on with Drummond, you're right, he would have been held out.

The thing that troubles me is that Boatright's violations occur all the time. I have no doubt that the NCAA looked more thoroughly through the case because Rose was involved, but I also wonder if there is so determination to go after Uconn. I can tell you don't agree with this, but it is my opinion. It seems to me that rifling through the mother's accounts looking for any transgressions is a little much, for many reasons. A six game suspension for a plane ticket for his mother also seems much. Where are you getting these facts that Rose has already been proven to have provided more than 1 flight? I have no seen that anywhere.

I also don't understand why you claim Rose and Tanesha are looking to make money off of him. The idea that Rose would want to make money off him is absurd first off considering who his brother is, and I just don't see how you can associate a plane ticket for his mother to visit a school with a scheme to make money off of him. All we currently know about is 1 plane ticket (from my understanding).

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Big Ern,
It is hard to tell exaclty who did what in this since nobody is really saying. But come on. Rose isn't just some friend. he was the coach, th ebrother of an NBA star who had been the subject of an NCAA scandal, and the subject of one himself. This wasn't just the local mailman from the neighborhood coaching kids in his days off. He apparently paid for more than 1 airline ticket. This wasn't some $350 violation (you can get a ticket from Chicago to Hartford for well under $400) He also might have been involved in this more recent incident/incidents as well. And to try and ignore the fact that the guy who at least paid for the tickets and has been involved in NCAA violations before was Boatright's advisor won't cause them to look at this more closely is just to ignore the real world. I get that you want Boatright to play. I do too. I do think that he is getting a raw deal and so is UCONN because of the behavior of the people who supposedly were looking out for him. Rose and his mother, maybe some others but we don't know that yet and might never know it, are the ones I'm ticked at. Because both should have known better. And don't give me any racist/sexist twaddle about his mother not knowing any better. I think she could have and should have known the rules. i suspect she was perfectly happy to get whatever bennies she could from her son's "fame." And Rose, given his and his brother's history also could have and should have known what he could and couldn't do for a prospect.

One final point is this. Nobody has a right to play college baksketball. so if she and rose wanted to make money off of Ryan they should have advised him to play overseas, or in the D-league, where people get paid for playing basketball. When they said go play at UCONN they chose to play according to the NCAA rules.

Other than the plane ticket, for which the kid has already been punished, your entire conspiracy-laden post is baseless speculation. Pure garbage. You're sure his mother "was perfectly happy to get whatever bennies she could from her son's 'fame'" ?? It's tough to take your posts seriously when they're driven by such an overwhelming disdain for the people involved.

 

[freescooter]

Other than the plane ticket, for which the kid has already been punished, your entire conspiracy-laden post is baseless speculation. Pure garbage. You're sure his mother "was perfectly happy to get whatever bennies she could from her son's 'fame'" ?? It's tough to take your posts seriously when they're driven by such an overwhelming disdain for the people involved.

I'm the conspiracy theorist, in a thread that talks about the NCAA taking this round about effor to use Boatright's mother's actions to somehow "punish" Calhoun for beating the system in landing Drummond...Wow!

But you are correct, we don't know a tremedous amount of detail. We do know that Rose recieved improper benefits from Memphis when his brother played there and that his brother cheated on his SATs. these two factors led to Memphis having its season, including a run to the NCAA finals, wiped from the record books. Go read the NCAA findings if you doubt the involvemnt of Reggie.

We also know that Rose paid for airline ticket/tickets for boatright's mother to go to at least one school. Details are sketchy to be sure, but it has been reported that the amount was "substantial" or "significant" and Boatright is repaying $100/month. Now I am the first to admit that significant and substantial are relative terms, but I also know the price of air fair between hartford and Chicago, and between most eastern cities and Chicago and one trip, in the range of 300-400 bucks is unlikely to meet that definition. There is speculation from some sources that this involved multiple trips to multiple places. In any case, Boatright served his suspension for this matter, and aside from repaying the costs, is no longer being bothered on this matter.

We also know there is a 2nd allegation of other payments which the NCAA is currently investigating. Nocera and others have hinted, but have not outwardly stated, that this involved Christmas money and also came from Rose. But again you are right. We don't know that for sure. there was also a report somewhere that it involved a car, but I haven't heard anything more on that so I prsume it did not.

I believe that boatright may not have known about any of this, or at least not the matters currently under scrutiny. Unlike you, I don't believe that Rose and Boatright's mother are just "simple folk", dare I say simple black folks, who are too stupid to possibly understand the NCAA rules. Read some of the posts here, read Nocera's piece again and they practically ooze condecension and racism on this point. My contention is that they knew, and Rose, who has had previous run ins himself and seen his brother have one, absolutley knew, what they were doing was improper. Hell, the ex-boyfriend knew it was improper. Where did he get that idea? Or even know what to report? That is why he threatened, and eventually followed through on the threat to get even by reporting Boatright to the NCAA. To pretend, as you and Chief and many others do that this is some persecution by the NCAA is totally absurd. And again, I suspect that Ryan Boatright himself had little or no knowlege of this stuff. And it is extremely unfortunate that people he relied on failed him. And it is unfortunate that the NCAA acts in such ham-handed fashion. I totally agree that the organization should be far more transparent. Or at least I would rather is was more transparent.

One final thing to think about...nobody from UCONN, nobody from Boatright's side has said "we did nothing wrong. this is persecution." Not one person. Even Nocera, in his two part series, never once said that the NCAA didn't find violations or that no violations occured. Indeedd, in the first case, the Boatrights apparently agreed to repay the money. Let's see how this one comes out.

 

[Chief00]

chief, just stop the foolishness...this is about a sleazy character, Reggie Rose, who has a history of violating NCAA rules, who somehow got involved with a kid we recruited. Look up the factors that caused Memphis to lose its 2008-9 season. Two of them were named Rose---Reggie and Derrick.

By the way, I'm still waiting for Miles to join the Huskies. You absolutely guarenteed that a couple of years ago.

I never said that, although I supported Nate. So a very poor kid with zero family support; got someone to pay for a knee operation and some free meals. Quite frankly, that doesn't bother me. But, the NCAA does bother me.

 

[whaler11]

I never said that, although I supported Nate. So a very poor kid with zero family support; got someone to pay for a knee operation and some free meals. Quite frankly, that doesn't bother me. But, the NCAA does bother me.

I agree with about 1/1000th of what the Chief posts, but I don't blame the kid for doing what he needed to do to come up with money for surgery.