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Message: [QUOTE="BigBird, post: 2112893, member: 4247"] Bingo. I taught undergraduates, including many varsity athletes, for most of forty years. They were more disciplined, worked harder, got better grades, and graduated more often than non-athletes. My experience might not be universal; I make no such claim. But I have sufficient data to support my belief. Also, I won't try to build an elaborate case against "elite" schools. They typically deserve their elite standing at least somewhat. But I believe that the good student can also get an outstanding education at schools that are less marketed and less endowed. As with anything we purchase, our challenge in selecting a college is to separate the educational substance from the advertising puffery. [/QUOTE]