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Message: [QUOTE="JudgeSCR, post: 2112430, member: 245"] My daughter attended Stanford and while she was not an athlete she was a Resident Advisor with several athletes in her dorm (at Stanford athletes are in the same dorms as the rest student body for their freshmen year). My daughter marveled at the work and diligence of the athletes many of whom got up as early as 5:00 am to train and/or study. There were systems to support them but they worked really, really hard ... much harder than the average hardworking Stanford student. My daughter is now at Duke Medical School where some of her classmates were Duke undergrads and athletes (one from the women's basketball team). Although they are not competing now my daughter remarks about the work ethic those students have (even remarkable for students at a top medical school). I think we underestimate what it means to perform as an elite athlete and student at these kinds of schools and how hard these students work. (Yes, my daughter gleefully attended two of my "hated" rivals on the WCBB scene). [/QUOTE]