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So it looks like he took over the Temple O-line in year 2 just like he has here.:eek:
 
Can anyone name an FBS school who uses a pro set zone blocking scheme type offense like GDL's and is successfull?
 
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sportsart said:
Can anyone name an FBS school who uses a pro set zone blocking scheme type offense like GDL's and is successfull?
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That's... A really good question.
 
From huskymedic's http://www.onefootdown.com/2012/8/14/3240617/notre-dame-offense-101:

But in reality, the spread is an underdog strategy. It was originally designed for teams that faced a talent disadvantage on a week-to-week basis. Notre Dame can recruit beefy offensive linemen, hulking tight ends, and tall wide receivers. You don't need to use David's strategy when you can recruit Goliath's players. Thus we are seeing Kelly fit his offense to his personnel and add in pro-style elements so the Irish can over-power teams when the situation is right.
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So GDL's strategy was to adopt a pro-style zone-blocking scheme that requires Goliath's players, eschewing the spread strategy that works best for less talented teams; but to say that his offense was so lacking in talent that it shouldn't try hard to score, but rather should play to avoid turnovers and let the defense and special teams win games. Is it any wonder we have the 102nd ranked offense?
 
pj said:
From huskymedic's http://www.onefootdown.com/2012/8/14/3240617/notre-dame-offense-101:



So GDL's strategy was to adopt a pro-style zone-blocking scheme that requires Goliath's players, eschewing the spread strategy that works best for less talented teams; but to say that his offense was so lacking in talent that it shouldn't try hard to score, but rather should play to avoid turnovers and let the defense and special teams win games. Is it any wonder we have the 102nd ranked offense?
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You can't isolate 5 sentences of a mutiple page article to derive your conclusion.

Did you miss this part :)

What kinds of teams use zone blocking?
Because the goal of zone blocking isn't to drive defenders into the ground - although that's perfectly acceptable - but rather to block them any way possible and to let the running back decide where to go, zone blocking was a natural choice for those early underdog spread teams. However, zone blocking is a sound concept and is taught at all levels. In the college game, spread pioneers Chip Kelly of Oregon and Rich Rodriguez of Arizona are known for their zone blocking concepts. Zone blocking also shows up in pro-style offenses as well. Iowa is a traditional I-formation team, but they primarily employ zone blocking, while even power-rushing teams like Wisconsin and Michigan State get a lot of use out of the inside and outside zone. In the NFL, Mike Shanahan and the Denver Broncos used a zone blocking scheme to run all over defenses and turn unknown running backs into Pro Bowlers in the ‘90s. Today, every NFL team has the inside and outside zone in the playbook, so if you ever turn on a game on Sundays, you'll be guaranteed to see them at some point.
 
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Boy, it's awesome to watch GDL explain Zone Blocking to sell his coaching DVD. Maybe we can order the DVD's and send them to him for the O-Line to watch.
 
Well he ain't winnin' no Emmys, that's for sure.
 
"With this video, you can teach any offensive lineman how to zone block, and how to become better blockers."

Well, I hope the video can, because George certainly can't.
 
pj said:
From huskymedic's http://www.onefootdown.com/2012/8/14/3240617/notre-dame-offense-101:



So GDL's strategy was to adopt a pro-style zone-blocking scheme that requires Goliath's players, eschewing the spread strategy that works best for less talented teams; but to say that his offense was so lacking in talent that it shouldn't try hard to score, but rather should play to avoid turnovers and let the defense and special teams win games. Is it any wonder we have the 102nd ranked offense?
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Actually zone blocking is made so undersized ol have an advantage. It is actually a very good system however when not executed properly is very dangerous and u get the Syracuse game.
 
Srqhusky said:
Actually zone blocking is made so undersized ol have an advantage. It is actually a very good system however when not executed properly is very dangerous and u get the Syracuse game.
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How about, when not executed at all. GDL,= fail in all aspects.
 
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I'm guessing that what GDL wants to run here (in terms of blocking schemes) is very similar to what Kelly ran at Cincy. I am guessing that when Kelly took over Dantoni's power blocking scheme he figured out how to dumb it down a bit (at least in comaprison to GDL here) as that transition went nearly seamlessly.

Considering his current philosophy, GDL may want to discontinue the Teaching Drive-Block Progressions DVD.
 
Srqhusky said:
Actually zone blocking is made so undersized ol have an advantage. It is actually a very good system however when not executed properly is very dangerous and u get the Syracuse game.
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The most important aspect is that all linemen need to be on the same page at all times. This is difficult when the starting five (at least prior to Masters' injury) did not have the same personnel at the same positions for the entirety of any game.

Compounding this is that the linemen need to determine their responsibilities based on what they see from the defensive front, which once the defense changes their look before the snap requires every linemen (and in some cases backs & TE's) to interpret the shift the exact same way and then take what their individual responsibility is from that protection scheme. I can see this working for an NFL team where the line ha been together for years (but even in the NFL, a lineman on occasion does blow an assignment). This may be asking a bit too much from kids a few few years removed from HS.
 
I was channel surfing a little while ago and the NFL Network was breaking down the 49er's. They showed a number of versions of the same play that they often run; splitting Vernon Davis out as a third receiver to prevent the defense of loading the box (as Davis needs to be respected as a receiver who can get down field) and running Frank Gore through a pulling/trapping offensive line (to take advantage of a DL slanting to shoot the gaps). On each play (they showed about seven of them, all worked to a charm) a couple of the offensive linemen merely needed to turn out to trap the penetrating DL's while the other linemen fired off the ball, engaging the LB's a few yards downfield, allowing Gore to gash them for eight, ten, twelve yards on the play.

Unfortunately at the end of the segment the commentator (Baldinger) said that for this to work a team needs a TE who is respected as a deep threat and an offensive line that knows how to pull and trap. I wanted to cry when he said that as we could have run this play as a staple all season.
 
FCF, the truly sad thing is we still could run it the rest of the season as a staple. But we won't.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I was channel surfing a little while ago and the NFL Network was breaking down the 49er's. They showed a number of versions of the same play that they often run; splitting Vernon Davis out as a third receiver to prevent the defense of loading the box (as Davis needs to be respected as a receiver who can get down field) and running Frank Gore through a pulling/trapping offensive line (to take advantage of a DL slanting to shoot the gaps). On each play (they showed about seven of them, all worked to a charm) a couple of the offensive linemen merely needed to turn out to trap the penetrating DL's while the other linemen fired off the ball, engaging the LB's a few yards downfield, allowing Gore to gash them for eight, ten, twelve yards on the play.

Unfortunately at the end of the segment the commentator (Baldinger) said that for this to work a team needs a TE who is respected as a deep threat and an offensive line that knows how to pull and trap. I wanted to cry when he said that as we could have run this play as a staple all season.
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Ya know we need more than one play (well other than RB left, RB right, RB middle)?
 
True but that may have been a good place to start. Also, if we had success running the ball a few times out of that formation (in part by taking advantage of defensive linemen slanting through the gaps) I imagine we then could pass out of the same formation (with a hesitant defensive line not getting to the QB as quickly) where at least one of the three WR's (one being our TE) would be in single coverage.
 
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Back to the one play comment, on ESPN's NFL Matchup few minutes ago Merrill Hoge did a segment showing the 49er's man blocking schemes that were successful attacking a defense playing eight in the box (where the TE remains next to one of the tackles).

I personally believe that if implemented correctly, a man scheme can work in college football (then again, so can a zone scheme but the key is the implementation).
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Back to the one play comment, on ESPN's NFL Matchup few minutes ago Merrill Hoge did a segment showing the 49er's man blocking schemes that were successful attacking a defense playing eight in the box (where the TE remains next to one of the tackles).

I personally believe that if implemented correctly, a man scheme can work in college football (then again, so can a zone scheme but the key is the implementation).
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I get your point - I need to use more emoticons when replying back to you... more than one play was tongue in cheek. :D
 
Fair enough. It is nearly impossible to project nuance on a message board.
 
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