Is Geno only 1/5th as valuable as Nick Saban?

[bags27]

Nick Saban's new contract includes raise, huge bonus for Alabama football coach

well, without Saban, where is Alabama? And market forces/TV rights etc. for college football, blah, blah, blah.

• But NCAA football is a 4+ month sport and WCBB is nearly a 6 month sport, so WCBB is in the public eye longer
• And Geno is an absolutely unimpeachable representative--a moral force, if you will--of the sport.
• And Geno has been there a lot longer, and loyalty "in theory, at least" ought to be rewarded (ha! ha!).
• And, while Saban is certainly the best in the business currently, Geno is the best of all time.
• And you can find other men's sports (notably MCBB, but others as well) that get on the sports pages. Only WCBB gets there for women.

We come back to market forces. Saban brings a whole lot money into Alabama, directly and indirectly. I acknowledge that. Just wish there were a way that the world could say it values Geno at least as much (or a helluva lot more).

 

[triaddukefan]

Alabama football reported $103.9 million in revenue for 2016

In the article.... As relayed by CNN’s Ahiza Garcia on Monday, the Crimson Tide’s football program reported $103.9 million in revenue in 2016 and totaled a $47 million profit. That’s a 3.6 percent increase from the previous year.

How much revenue does the UCONN WCBB program generate?

 

[Ewekon]

Saban's new deal was discussed on The Dan Patrick Show this morning and his "value" was compared to that of other coaches in various sports both past and present. Then callers were invited to chime in and the second cited Geno as most valuable as he elevates an entire sport and not just a single program.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Saban's new deal was discussed on The Dan Patrick Show this morning and his "value" was compared to that of other coaches in various sports both past and present. Then callers were invited to chime in and the second cited Geno as most valuable as he elevates an entire sport and not just a single program.

If Geno actually elevated the entire sport then the WCB would be doing the Scrooge McDuck backstroke through an ocean of money. But no, the WBC drowns in an ocean of red ink. When Geno retires the WBC will sink into a Marianas Trench like oblivion. The way only to be compared to Saban is the play with the big dogs, the men's college b-ball game. It is cool to be the Prince of Monaco (WBC) but it still is just a principality of 0.8 square miles. He is a phenomenal b-ball coach but the vast majority of sports fans will never get behind the women's game. They want jazzed up sports entertainment experience, only the men have the athletic ability to deliver it.

 

[triaddukefan]

Saban's new deal was discussed on The Dan Patrick Show this morning and his "value" was compared to that of other coaches in various sports both past and present. Then callers were invited to chime in and the second cited Geno as most valuable as he elevates an entire sport and not just a single program.

I bet Alabama Football generates more revenue than all of Division I WCBB combined..... I could be wrong though

 

[UcMiami]

Bags27 -
Welcome to the real word and market forces. I do not disagree about the worth of Geno to the university and the state of CT, and to the game of women's basketball as a whole - he is a titan. And as far as longevity and loyalty and everything else he also stands out. But ...

The greatest actors and actresses get paid peanuts on the stage while hacks with beautiful bodies get paid millions to star in god awful movies - even within the movie universe, the latest comic book or disaster movies is paying five times what the really interesting work being done gets paid.

The best in most professions make less that the mots popular - look at all the bankrupt companies that pay their CEOs billions while their creditors are left holding the bag.

At least for coaches in general, within their sport their rewards are mostly based on their performance as with the pro athletes.

 

[Vowelguy]

Geno is not even 1/10th as valuable as Saban

 

[DefenseBB]

We, are all biased towards WCBB and especially biased towards Geno as a coach, an ambassador for UConn and for USA Basketball with his two Gold Medals won in dominant fashion (despite protests from the "Orange" contingent on a player being left off).

All that said, he does make money for UConn and probably makes more than any sport at UConn (due to the Men's hoop downturn, they still may generate more though). However, he is but blip on the NCAA revenue map. WCBB is a money loser for the NCAA. The hope is he can help raise the status for the next set of standard bearers when he and Muffet leave. To be clear, attendance has been falling since Summitt has left though viewership may be up due to various television contracts.

I appreciate Bags enthusiasm here, however, the outlook is still limited despite our own passion on this and other WCBB sites.

Last, Geno is still making a great living as are all 3 of his assistants and his other operations people. More than virtually every other program out there.

While I truly admire Geno and his program, I have not one bit of empathy on their income levels as they are truly blessed, loving what they do and being paid at the top of their profession.

Life is about perspective and personally, I find Saban to be less than honorable and truly would love to see CFB put in limits on scholarships, number of coaches and analysts and enforce heavy fines on coaches who violate policies, however it makes tons of money so they get rewarded. Maybe a day of reckoning will come, until then, just revel in Geno and this programs accomplishments.

 

[DefenseBB]

Geno is not even 1/10th as valuable as Saban

From a monetary basis to the University, you are understating it. From a contributor to the sport, a gentlemen to his peers and a respected coach to his players, Geno far out weighs Saban....

 

[tomcat]

From a monetary basis to the University, you are understating it. From a contributor to the sport, a gentlemen to his peers and a respected coach to his players, Geno far out weighs Saban....

Yep, I'd agree with DefenseBB. The point some were making is not that his presence allows WCBB to rake in the bucks. Obviously that is not the case. But I can't remember a coach who has been a better ambassador for his sport than Geno. Some of that is because WCBB has had a lot farther to go, b --ut I would argue that Geno has moved the needle more than most coaches have in their sport. And in what I believe is still a very sexist world, one reason why -- his personality, intelligence and accomplishments aside -- is that he is a guy. It is perhaps a sad commentary on society, but I don't believe a woman could have done what he has done, simply because she would not have been taken seriously by a certain segment of the population, no matter her accomplishments. Not Pat Summit, not anyone.

 

[oldude]

I don't think Geno's complaining about what he gets paid, nor is he comparing himself to Nick Saban, so I'm not particularly concerned about what Alabama pays their HFB coach.

I am incredibly thankful that UConn WBB has Geno as its coach, and that he just signed a new 5-yr contract.

 

[CL82]

I am always wary of cross sport comparisons. But, since you asked your question in the context of salary, the answer is no, he is not.

Football doesn't drive the bus; football is the bus. That's unfortunate for the University of Connecticut, but it's the way it is.

That said, within his chosen profession Geno is an unparalleled talent. I guess that should be enough for us.

 

[MilfordHusky]

But Alabama LOST the championship game.

 

[ivrytontusker]

From the perspective of money, Geno is probably closer to 1/100th the value of Saban. The same is true of Mike Krzyzewski. Football generates far more revenue than any other sport.

Geno is certainly more valuable to his sport than Saban, but that is because WBB has only been around for like 40 years (and is still relatively new) whereas CFB has been around for 100+ years.

 

[DefenseBB]

From the perspective of money, Geno is probably closer to 1/100th the value of Saban. The same is true of Mike Krzyzewski. Football generates far more revenue than any other sport.

Geno is certainly more valuable to his sport than Saban, but that is because WBB has only been around for like 40 years (and is still relatively new) whereas CFB has been around for 100+ years.

Ok, while Vowelguy understated Geno at 1/10, you have grossly over stated Saban and understated Coach K.
I will do an updated research on this, but for the sake of discussion in 2008 only 42 CFB programs made money. They were the usual suspects including the aforementioned Alabama. Salaries of 9 coaches, 8-30 support staff, media relations, 85 scholarships, 5-10 academic advisors, NCAA compliance staff members and team travel/hotels and recruiting all eat substantial amount of revenue lowering profit. Basketball, on the other hand is an easier and more socialistic revenue sport and reason why the Big East does well financially and more schools have elected to be D1 in hoops.

 

[JordyG]

But Alabama LOST the championship game.

In football or any sport it ain't whether you win or lose but how many eyeballs watched you play the game.

 

[Monte]

Alabama football reported $103.9 million in revenue for 2016

In the article.... As relayed by CNN’s Ahiza Garcia on Monday, the Crimson Tide’s football program reported $103.9 million in revenue in 2016 and totaled a $47 million profit. That’s a 3.6 percent increase from the previous year.

How much revenue does the UConn WCBB program generate?

It's ALL about the money!

 

[stwainfan]

But Alabama LOST the championship game.

 

[stwainfan]

Football is just more popular sport.

 

[rugbymate]

This is a very interesting question....mens college football 40 bowl games generate 1.5 bil in revenues. Not sure what the regular season grosses but it has to be at least several timesthat. When you add in all the ancillary revenues including restaurant sales, jerseys , sport channels focused on college football etc compared to WCBB ancillary sales , we have a massive economic mismatch.
My guess is that mens NCAA football impact on the economy is probably at least 50-100 times WCBB. From an economic standpoint, its like comparing a CEO of a Fortune 50 company (20 mil +) to a small company CEO9 less than a il). Geno is probably doing OK.

 

[triaddukefan]

From the perspective of money, Geno is probably closer to 1/100th the value of Saban. The same is true of Mike Krzyzewski. Football generates far more revenue than any other sport.

Geno is certainly more valuable to his sport than Saban, but that is because WBB has only been around for like 40 years (and is still relatively new) whereas CFB has been around for 100+ years.

You know I cant let this slide without remarking

Yes.... Duke Basketball revenue pales in comparison to revenue generated from football........ Revenues in the 2014-15 season were 33.8 million.

How Much Revenue Did Each ACC Men's Basketball Team Generate in 2014-2015?

 

[BigBird]

This is a very interesting question....mens college football 40 bowl games generate 1.5 bil in revenues.

True. But for many individual schools, the expense of participation in a bowl game is more than their earnings for the game. Often, the contractual obligations for participants also include a requirement to buy up a set number of tickets. Finally, many conferences require that the schools split the revenue with all other conference schools.

For the biggest bowls it is a big money maker, a good deal. For many of the others, not so much.

 

[huskymedic]

Have @ it... University of Connecticut Basketball

>>The University of Connecticut Basketball program is sanctioned by NCAA Division I-FBS and has a total of 21 male athletes and 13 female athletes. The men's and women's Basketball teams combined have 2 head coach(es), 6 assistant coach(es), and total revenues of $19,287,933, total expenses of $17,034,656 and profits of $2,253,280.<<

 

[DaddyChoc]

Football is just more popular sport.

Candace Parker is more popular than football

 

[Ukonnfan]

I'm not political, but, If Donald T$&^p said Bear Bryant was only a man, Alabama would succsessfuly secede from the United States. I am serious. The roots are very, very deep.
Saban has done much, but, many have no idea how big the history is. People have closets dedicated to Alabama football shrines. Seen it. Geno has done a great job, but the legacy and dollars in AL are more than one could imagine. Alabama football is a religion in AL. It is truly amazing.
In case one may be wondering, I lived there and my ex wife is still there. No offense intended. "Just the facts, ma'am"....