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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 3436645, member: 7492"] Well, since the loss to Hawaii, they did beat Tennessee and Stanford with understandable losses to TCU (close game and TCU is decent), to Baylor and at WVU when they were playing well (as opposed to the train wreck that WVU has since become). Their offense almost looked proficient. Collier and Holmes were meshing so I, foolishly, thought they turned the corner. But alas, I was sorely mistaken. Karen's record is still significantly better than Gail G's record and she's consistently been 2nd or 3rd in the conference whereas Gail was never better than 4th so by comparison, Karen is a much improved leader of this program. That said her actual coaching of offense and development of players is highly suspect...:) [/QUOTE]