Interesting article on how soccer may have contributed to Italy’s crisis



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Honestly if it does come back in the fall we’ll be better equipped and people will have made lifestyle changes. The world we go back to will look pretty different. They will probably also identify medications that can shorten the time spent with it. It won’t shut down the country again
 

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Big Liverpool fan. Waiting to see how bad it gets there; Atletico Madrid had 4,000 fans in the stadium when the two teams played 2 weeks ago, despite the fact that Spanish stadiums were totally shut down.
 
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Big Liverpool fan. Waiting to see how bad it gets there; Atletico Madrid had 4,000 fans in the stadium when the two teams played 2 weeks ago, despite the fact that Spanish stadiums were totally shut down.
I was shaking my head watching that match. The world knew it was a bad idea.
 

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Devil's advocate: It's also possible that flattening the epidemic curve delays acquired immunity, resulting in a worse second wave than we're seeing now... this is one of the reasons that the Spanish Flu was much worse in 1918 than it was in 1917. China was much less effected by the second wave, as the Spanish Flu had originated there and folks had more acquired immunity. ("Spanish flu" is due to WW1 morale-censors downplaying the impact in many countries; neutral Spain honestly reported their experience and was perceived to be hit hardest at the time). Coronavirus also has a higher basic reproduction number in colder/drier weather, indicating the possibility of a seasonal resurgence later in the year.

Human mobility is a natural vaccination; isolated populations are most at-risk during pandemics (i.e., Native Americans in the 16th century. Most of the countries hit hardest by swine flu in 2009 were island nations). Right now, Sweden is the only European country not closing their borders/shutting everything down... they also seem to be doing a better job containing the disease by tracking individual cases and encouraging personal responsibility without mandated shutdowns. To be fair, Swedes stereotypically are more practiced in "social distancing" than many other cultures.

However this all plays out, it's going to make a fascinating case study one day.
 

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New Orleans is seeing a huge surge in corona virus cases. Being attributed to Mardi Gras......
 
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Devil's advocate: It's also possible that flattening the epidemic curve delays acquired immunity, resulting in a worse second wave than we're seeing now... this is one of the reasons that the Spanish Flu was much worse in 1918 than it was in 1917. China was much less effected by the second wave, as the Spanish Flu had originated there and folks had more acquired immunity. ("Spanish flu" is due to WW1 morale-censors downplaying the impact in many countries; neutral Spain honestly reported their experience and was perceived to be hit hardest at the time). Coronavirus also has a higher basic reproduction number in colder/drier weather, indicating the possibility of a seasonal resurgence later in the year.
Philadelphia was a hotbed of Spanish Flu deaths specifically because they ignored warnings and still held massive parades. Herd immunity exists, but using it as an actual plan is disgusting.
 

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Holding a soccer game, parade or any gathering during a pandemic is idiotic and irresponsible.
A unproportional amount of Italians that passed away that is claimed to be due to Covid-19 lived in the northwest area that is heavy in textile industry that does tons of work for China and is visited by the Chinese on a daily basis. The textiles and raw material they receive from China is from the districts where this virus originated. Also in this area are many older residents who are heavy smokers and worked in the mines for decades and suffer from respiratory diseases. These folks received little or no medical care or aid due to the fact that socialized medicine in Italy dictates that those who are retired, over a certain age and on the national dole are a burden and not a priority. It's sad but true.
Let's get through this event and lets get sporting events, concerts, parades, all types of gatherings underway; but most importantly all the businesses open and operating under 100% capacity. Let's Make America Manufacture Again.
Be safe and Healthy BYers
 
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What explains the USA?

Experts say that the United States will likely overtake Italy tomorrow in total coronavirus cases.

The US will likely surpass China in a few days.

We will be the #1 coronavirus country in the world.

Our infection rate slope is the steepest in the world.


The world is above 420,000 cases of coronavirus infections.

The United States has over 54,000 of those cases, almost 1 out of 7 worldwide

The United States reported 14,024 new cases yesterday.

That is the most cases detected by any country in a single day since the pandemic began.
 
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New Orleans is seeing a huge surge in corona virus cases. Being attributed to Mardi Gras......
My daughter is an RN in Baton Rouge. Many of her nursing school classmates/friends are nurses in New Orleans.

She is daily telling me how bad things are.

Louisiana is overwhelmed. It had the third largest per capita incidence, and that was yesterday.

Lots of health care workers are testing positive.

This is coming to a town near you. Soon.

 
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What explains the USA?

Experts say that the United States will likely overtake Italy tomorrow in total coronavirus cases.

The US will likely surpass China in a few days.

We will be the #1 coronavirus country in the world.

Our infection rate slope is the steepest in the world.


The world is above 420,000 cases of coronavirus infections.

The United States has over 54,000 of those cases, almost 1 out of 7 worldwide

The United States reported 14,024 new cases yesterday.

That is the most cases detected by any country in a single day since the pandemic began.
It is under control. Everyone will fill the churches on Easter. So says the leader of the free world. Of course my daughter who I’d a doctor specializing in lung disease in Ohio says at her hospital docs are being divided into teams. 1 group works and the other stays home as a backup when someone goes down there is a next person up.
 
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I expect an article soon on how NYC residents brought the United States down.
 
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What explains the USA?

Experts say that the United States will likely overtake Italy tomorrow in total coronavirus cases.

The US will likely surpass China in a few days.

We will be the #1 coronavirus country in the world.

Our infection rate slope is the steepest in the world.


The world is above 420,000 cases of coronavirus infections.

The United States has over 54,000 of those cases, almost 1 out of 7 worldwide

The United States reported 14,024 new cases yesterday.

That is the most cases detected by any country in a single day since the pandemic began.
Already are. However, there's reports that China is suppressing coronavirus patients now, thus making numbers seem artificially favorable.
 
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There are a few reasons for the rapid spread in various areas:

Italy: the soccer game may have been one but, probably more importantly, the focus should be on the fact the Italians have given up control of their textile industry to the Chinese who happily produce clothing there with the "made in Italy" label. Much of the work is apparently done by Chinese nationals who number over 310,000 in Italy, including over 30,000 in the city of Prato (near Florence).

New Orleans: Mardi gras was held on February 16 and we're now five weeks beyond that date, so take a guess why they have such a big problem. And, it's not just the day itself that matters when you consider how a virus can spread through a population. Consider how many people in the region work on the floats, and prepare all sorts of other facets of the parade, the meals, the drinks, etc. Made for boosting the spread of the virus.

New York Metro area: Lots of people, lots of events, lots of socializing in tight quarters, riding the subway, etc.

Saw some video tonight of the Mayor and the city's Health Commissioner both telling people on February 2, to go out and enjoy themselves and urging them to attend the Chinatown Lunar New Year Parade and Festival on February 9.................about six weeks ago and New York is our epicenter.
 

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What explains the USA?

Experts say that the United States will likely overtake Italy tomorrow in total coronavirus cases.

The US will likely surpass China in a few days.

We will be the #1 coronavirus country in the world.

Our infection rate slope is the steepest in the world.


The world is above 420,000 cases of coronavirus infections.

The United States has over 54,000 of those cases, almost 1 out of 7 worldwide

The United States reported 14,024 new cases yesterday.

That is the most cases detected by any country in a single day since the pandemic began.
This thread is heading down a path to the cesspool.
 
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Devil's advocate: It's also possible that flattening the epidemic curve delays acquired immunity, resulting in a worse second wave than we're seeing now... this is one of the reasons that the Spanish Flu was much worse in 1918 than it was in 1917. China was much less effected by the second wave, as the Spanish Flu had originated there and folks had more acquired immunity. ("Spanish flu" is due to WW1 morale-censors downplaying the impact in many countries; neutral Spain honestly reported their experience and was perceived to be hit hardest at the time). Coronavirus also has a higher basic reproduction number in colder/drier weather, indicating the possibility of a seasonal resurgence later in the year.

Human mobility is a natural vaccination; isolated populations are most at-risk during pandemics (i.e., Native Americans in the 16th century. Most of the countries hit hardest by swine flu in 2009 were island nations). Right now, Sweden is the only European country not closing their borders/shutting everything down... they also seem to be doing a better job containing the disease by tracking individual cases and encouraging personal responsibility without mandated shutdowns. To be fair, Swedes stereotypically are more practiced in "social distancing" than many other cultures.

However this all plays out, it's going to make a fascinating case study one day.
The cost of accelerating acquired immunity is millions of deaths. The death rate from coronavirus is not constant - it depends on access to ventilators and doctors/nurses, all of which are in critically short supply. And anyone who gets coronavirus risks not only death, but lifelong health issues even if they survive. Many recovered patents are left with permanent lung damage.

The only option here is to do everything we can to slow and hopefully stop the spread while giving scientists time to develop a vaccine and treatments - and giving manufacturers time to produce more protective equipment and respirators.

Choosing not to flatten the curve (i.e. choosing to lose the battle to COVID on purpose and calling it a strategy) would be horrific. Talk to an ER nurse or doctor who is having to deal with this first hand. We are all in this together. Let’s do everything we can to protect not only ourselves, but our families, neighbors, and medical workers while we give 21st century technology an opportunity to defeat this thing.
 
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It's not soccer; but, read about the diaster tha New Orleans has on its hand. It looks like Covid-19 was already present in the community for Mardi Gras celebrations...
 

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The cost of accelerating acquired immunity is millions of deaths. The death rate from coronavirus is not constant - it depends on access to ventilators and doctors/nurses, all of which are in critically short supply. And anyone who gets coronavirus risks not only death, but lifelong health issues even if they survive. Many recovered patents are left with permanent lung damage.
Boris Johnson getting a big ole dose of karma...
 

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