I Don't Get It. Stanford?

[malevocalist#]

How in the blue moon does Stanford get 3 players in the 2016 McDonald's All American Game?

How many does Maryland -the # 1 class- has? I better double check. But I still don't get it. Especially when two of their players are outside the top 25.

And yes I do understand you don't have to part of the the top 25 to be selected. See Chong...But at least she made noise in NY averaging 30 points a game. And Geno's 2014 class, all 3 were #1 #2 & #6.

Nevertheless, I stil don't get it. Maybe someone has a better take on it than i do. I'm listening.

 

[JordyG]

How in the blue moon does Stanford get 3 players in the 2016 McDonald's All American Game?

How many does Maryland -the # 1 class- has? I better double check. But I still don't get it. Especially when two of their players are outside the top 25.

And yes I do understand you don't have to part of the the top 25 to be selected. See Chong...But at least she made noise in NY averaging 30 points a game. And Geno's 2014 class, all 3 were #1 #2 & #6.

Nevertheless, I stil don't get it. Maybe someone has a better take on it than i do. I'm listening.

Palms up, shoulder shrug.

 

[Orangutan]

How in the blue moon does Stanford get 3 players in the 2016 McDonald's All American Game?

How many does Maryland -the # 1 class- has? I better double check. But I still don't get it. Especially when two of their players are outside the top 25.

And yes I do understand you don't have to part of the the top 25 to be selected. See Chong...But at least she made noise in NY averaging 30 points a game. And Geno's 2014 class, all 3 were #1 #2 & #6.

Nevertheless, I stil don't get it. Maybe someone has a better take on it than i do. I'm listening.

I can't find the list of who is on the selection committee just now. I'm guessing Dan Olson of Hoopgurlz is on it but if memory serves all the other major ranking services (PeachStateBasketball/ProspectsNation, ASGR, BlueStar) all have one or more members on it, too.

I think it's a combination of a couple things. First, the rankings haven't been updated for a while. You may see that the Stanford players are ranked higher when Hoopgurlz updates in advance of the April signing period. Also, the other committee members may just be higher on the Stanford players than the Hoopgurlz is.

ProspectsNation has Carrington at 16 and Fingall at 23, so they are definitely part of the top 25 for at least one of the services.

 

[malevocalist#]

I can't find the list of who is on the selection committee just now. I'm guessing Dan Olson of Hoopgurlz is on it but if memory serves all the other major ranking services (PeachStateBasketball/ProspectsNation, ASGR, BlueStar) all have one or more members on it, too.

I think it's a combination of a couple things. First, the rankings haven't been updated for a while. You may see that the Stanford players are ranked higher when Hoopgurlz updates in advance of the April signing period. Also, the other committee members may just be higher on the Stanford players than the Hoopgurlz is.

ProspectsNation has Carrington at 16 and Fingall at 23, so they are definitely part of the top 25 for at least one of the services.

That can very well be the case. Makes a lot of sense. I never put top much stock in Olsen's rankings, especially after the top 5 top.

Hope he is wrong this time.

But if memory serves me right. This won't be the first time I've witness Stanford players being overated, nor the last.

 

[MilfordHusky]

The Stanford recruits are good. Are they top 24, though? Anna Wilson (Russell's sister) is now rated 58 by HoopGurlz. The other recruits are rated 26 and 34. Maybe HG missed on them.

I think the standards are different. Kids are selected as HS All-Americans, including for the Mickey D's game, based on HS performance. Their rankings for college are based more on potential at the next level. If a kid is not big enough or athletic enough or perhaps put up high numbers against weak competition, she is more likely to do well with the AA selectors than with the college scouts. I'm not saying that applies to any of the Stanford kids. I'm guessing that Russell Wilson's sister will be a really good QB, er, PG. In time, we'll know. If we look back at past McD's games, some players did not pan out at the next level for various reasons, including but not limited to injury.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not a full explanation but I think Fingall is going to pleasantly surprise all of WCBB. Great feet and midrange jumper.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Chong didn't make the McDonald's game. She made the WBCA All-American game which no longer exists.

 

[malevocalist#]

Chong didn't make the McDonald's game. She made the WBCA All-American game which no longer exists.

Yep that is so true. That I did forget. Thanks.

 

[mudcat]

The Stanford recruits are good. Are they top 24, though? Anna Wilson (Russell's sister) is now rated 58 by HoopGurlz. The other recruits are rated 26 and 34. Maybe HG missed on them.

I think the standards are different. Kids are selected as HS All-Americans, including for the Mickey D's game, based on HS performance. Their rankings for college are based more on potential at the next level. If a kid is not big enough or athletic enough or perhaps put up high numbers against weak competition, she is more likely to do well with the AA selectors than with the college scouts. I'm not saying that applies to any of the Stanford kids. I'm guessing that Russell Wilson's sister will be a really good QB, er, PG. In time, we'll know. If we look back at past McD's games, some players did not pan out at the next level for various reasons, including but not limited to injury.

Not sure they're top 24, but they ARE a significant talent upgrade given the present roster. Expect Stanford to be much better in 2017-18, especially if they can get some size.

 

[CBus13]

How in the blue moon does Stanford get 3 players in the 2016 McDonald's All American Game?

How many does Maryland -the # 1 class- has? I better double check. But I still don't get it. Especially when two of their players are outside the top 25.

And yes I do understand you don't have to part of the the top 25 to be selected. See Chong...But at least she made noise in NY averaging 30 points a game. And Geno's 2014 class, all 3 were #1 #2 & #6.

Nevertheless, I stil don't get it. Maybe someone has a better take on it than i do. I'm listening.

As many others have said, individual ranking isn't that the sole factor in selections for these games.

Stephanie Holzer, Class of '09 and played for Vanderbilt, was ranked 90th in the top 100 on Hoopgurlz at the time. But was on one of the top high school teams in the nation as a senior. She retired from basketball before her senior year because of injuries. And was a three time Street & Smith All-American.

Madison Williams, Class of '10 and played for Michigan State, was ranked 100th on Hoopgurlz at the time. I'm not familiar with how her high school season went but I know she won 2 state championships and was runner-up her senior year. Four-time All-State and Michigan's player of the year her senior year.

As for Anna Wilson, she has been on numerous USA Basketball Teams and evaluators always talk about her high IQ and rave about her but her ranking keeps sliding, but I think her inclusion has to do with her moving across country to Bellevue, Washington and seamlessly mixing with that team and leading them to an Undefeated season.

I'm not familiar with the other two.

 

[Kaizen]

The Stanford recruits are good. Are they top 24, though? Anna Wilson (Russell's sister) is now rated 58 by HoopGurlz. The other recruits are rated 26 and 34. Maybe HG missed on them.
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Anna Wilson is only 5'7", she is Russell's sister?

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/141752/anna-wilson

 

[MarieYLee]

Anna Wilson is only 5'7", she is Russell's sister?

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/141752/anna-wilson

Russell Wilson, Seattle SeaHawks QB.

ASGR has Carrington at 19, Wilson at 25 and Fingall at 44.
PN has Carrington at 16, Fingall at 23 and Wilson at 34.

 

[malevocalist#]

As many others have said, individual ranking isn't that the sole factor in selections for these games.

Stephanie Holzer, Class of '09 and played for Vanderbilt, was ranked 90th in the top 100 on Hoopgurlz at the time. But was on one of the top high school teams in the nation as a senior. She retired from basketball before her senior year because of injuries. And was a three time Street & Smith All-American.

Madison Williams, Class of '10 and played for Michigan State, was ranked 100th on Hoopgurlz at the time. I'm not familiar with how her high school season went but I know she won 2 state championships and was runner-up her senior year. Four-time All-State and Michigan's player of the year her senior year.

As for Anna Wilson, she has been on numerous USA Basketball Teams and evaluators always talk about her high IQ and rave about her but her ranking keeps sliding, but I think her inclusion has to do with her moving across country to Bellevue, Washington and seamlessly mixing with that team and leading them to an Undefeated season.

I'm not familiar with the other two.

I understand that totally. Not my point. My point is that the last 4 years or so many Stanford players have been ranked high only to not perform according to their rankings.

I remember them having 3 McDonald's All Americans before. Of whom many under performed.

Nevertheless, I do see your point in part. Because though they may not be ranked high doesn't mean they can't at all be become great players. I do agree. They can be underrated as some of the players you pointed out. Time will tell. And your point will be proven as many others.

 

[Kaizen]

Russell Wilson, Seattle SeaHawks QB.

ASGR has Carrington at 19, Wilson at 25 and Fingall at 44.
PN has Carrington at 16, Fingall at 23 and Wilson at 34.

LOL, I thought it is Mercedes Russell...

 

[Gate81]

I understand that totally. Not my point. My point is that the last 4 years or so many Stanford players have been ranked high only to not perform according to their rankings.

I remember them having 3 McDonald's All Americans before. Of whom many under performed.

Nevertheless, I do see your point in part. Because though they may not be ranked high doesn't mean they can't at all be become great players. I do agree. They can be underrated as some of the players you pointed out. Time will tell. And your point will be proven as many others.

I think their top recruits in the past years have taken them to final fours (Ogwumikes, Appel, Pedersen, presumably Wiggins and Pohlen) -- I'd say they've done fine except for not sealing the deal...though it's hard to argue with the development of Geno. I'm so impressed with KLS' defensive improvement in this one season.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not a full explanation but I think Fingall is going to pleasantly surprise all of WCBB. Great feet and midrange jumper.

There is now a more extensive write up on Fingall in ESPN. I think a lot of teams are going to regret not looking her way. She sounds like a great kid 4.58 GPA with her head buried in physics text books.
http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/art...cruit-nadia-fingall-prepares-chapter-stanford

 

[MarieYLee]

I understand that totally. Not my point. My point is that the last 4 years or so many Stanford players have been ranked high only to not perform according to their rankings.

I remember them having 3 McDonald's All Americans before. Of whom many under performed.

Nevertheless, I do see your point in part. Because though they may not be ranked high doesn't mean they can't at all be become great players. I do agree. They can be underrated as some of the players you pointed out. Time will tell. And your point will be proven as many others.

I think based on the recruits they get, they haven't underperformed at all. They are a Top 15/Sweet 16 or so team. With the exception of Kailee Johnson (McD AA, rated Top 15-30 in most services), most have played up to or about where they were "ranked". McCall is finally playing really, really well, and even then, she was a Top 15 or so kid in most services. Lili Thompson wasn't ranked in the Top 100 in any service and neither was Briana Roberson. Karlie Samuelson rating was all over the place, but no higher than 30. With the exception of Dan Olson/ESPN, Kaylee Johnson was also ranked outside the Top 100. Amber Orrange was a McD AA, but her highest rating was in the mid teens (15 or so), and other services had her outside the Top 20. Bonnie Samuelson (McD AA) was rated as high as 20ish and as low as the 70's.

Sara James is the only other McD AA that underperformed, and even then I believe ASGR and BS had her in the 30's. Toni Kokenis who actually came in the same year as James was unrated by many (HG was the only one that rated her and below 50), but was the better player before having to medically retire. Chiney came in as the #1 recruit and left as a POY/multiple AA/#1 WNBA pick. Nneka, Pedersen and Appel both played up to their ranking and got drafted accordingly. Even though Pohlen was a McD AA, most services didnt have her in the Top 30 (except Scout/HG), and she ended up being a AA 1st Team her Senior Year.

 

[Gate81]

I think based on the recruits they get, they haven't underperformed at all. They are a Top 15/Sweet 16 or so team. With the exception of Kailee Johnson (McD AA, rated Top 15-30 in most services), most have played up to or about where they were "ranked". McCall is finally playing really, really well, and even then, she was a Top 15 or so kid in most services. Lili Thompson wasn't ranked in the Top 100 in any service and neither was Briana Roberson. Karlie Samuelson rating was all over the place, but no higher than 30. With the exception of Dan Olson/ESPN, Kaylee Johnson was also ranked outside the Top 100. Amber Orrange was a McD AA, but her highest rating was in the mid teens (15 or so), and other services had her outside the Top 20. Bonnie Samuelson (McD AA) was rated as high as 20ish and as low as the 70's.

Sara James is the only other McD AA that underperformed, and even then I believe ASGR and BS had her in the 30's. Toni Kokenis who actually came in the same year as James was unrated by many (HG was the only one that rated her and below 50), but was the better player before having to medically retire. Chiney came in as the #1 recruit and left as a POY/multiple AA/#1 WNBA pick. Nneka, Pedersen and Appel both played up to their ranking and got drafted accordingly. Even though Pohlen was a McD AA, most services didnt have her in the Top 30 (except Scout/HG), and she ended up being a AA 1st Team her Senior Year.

Agreed, if anything I'd say that Tara has a knack for seemingly finding 1 player almost every year who is unrated or WAY outside the top 25 or even 50 who winds up being a major contributor. Kokenis. Thompson. Johnson (Kaylee, as you said). This year: no one was following Smith until Stanford signed her. The most interesting analysis rather than the above comment about people "underperforming" (which is generally not the case, except medical issues such as Kokenis and Sara James, or Beebe who retired before ever playing a game) would be the rating before players commit to Stanford and after they commit/final rating prior to HS graduation. Many players have taken major leaps once the rest of the country realizes that they missed a gem.

 

[willtalk]

As many others have said, individual ranking isn't that the sole factor in selections for these games.

Stephanie Holzer, Class of '09 and played for Vanderbilt, was ranked 90th in the top 100 on Hoopgurlz at the time. But was on one of the top high school teams in the nation as a senior. She retired from basketball before her senior year because of injuries. And was a three time Street & Smith All-American.

Madison Williams, Class of '10 and played for Michigan State, was ranked 100th on Hoopgurlz at the time. I'm not familiar with how her high school season went but I know she won 2 state championships and was runner-up her senior year. Four-time All-State and Michigan's player of the year her senior year.

As for Anna Wilson, she has been on numerous USA Basketball Teams and evaluators always talk about her high IQ and rave about her but her ranking keeps sliding, but I think her inclusion has to do with her moving across country to Bellevue, Washington and seamlessly mixing with that team and leading them to an Undefeated season.

I'm not familiar with the other two.

Madison Williams was a dominant high school player who was not going to have the same impact against the higher level of competition in college. Her high school coach rode her and her teammates good record into the Under 16 National team coaching position. Ironically Williams high school team benefited from Holzer injury to win their 2009 state championship. Holzers team won the Nike tournament that year and then she and a team mate got injured later in the season which contributed in their decline. Holzer on the other hand would have done really well in college if she didn't get injured.