I DESPISE The Way Notre Dame "Plays Basketball"

[zls44]

It is not basketball. It is chucking and praying. It is not coached, it is not taught, and it can only be practiced to a point. Luck plays a tremendous factor. It is slow, boring, and drives people away from watching the sport. Same for the flopping inside.

Mike Brey has a chance to win Big East COY honors for the FOURTH time. More than Calhoun or Boeheim. It is insane.

It is also an insult to the sport.

 

[HuskyOfLeisure]

I hate the style of ball they play but Brey is a great coach because puts his team in a position to win despite having inferior talent. It is not luck, ND has great shooters and plays good team ball...as much as I hate the product on the court.

 

[Dougsts]

I hate the way we are playing ball a lot more than I hate the way ND is playing

 

[FeedTheDove]

I hate the way we are playing ball a lot more than I hate the way ND is playing

got that right

 

[HuskyFan32]

I despise the way uconn plays right about now

 

[RS9999X]

It is slow, boring, and drives people away from watching the sport. Same for the flopping inside.

Mike Brey has a chance to win Big East COY honors for the FOURTH time. More than Calhoun or Boeheim. It is insane.

It is also an insult to the sport.

John Chaney's Temple teams. Teams would foul them out of frustration. The end game would start with about 5 minutes left. Fouling them was the only way to get enough possessions in if a team was down 5 pointsor more.

 

[zls44]

Mike Brey is not a great coach.

His lack of good recruits is his fault!

 

[HuskyNan]

It is the Harry Perretta system.

 

[BankShot]

He wins coach of the year because it looks like he does the most with the least. Truly based on the fact that a majority of his teams are good ol irish boys, not black pure athletes from the hood. (Both are dumb stereotypes) Being white some how that makes them bad athletes, therefore he does the most with least

 

[champs99and04]

I was just going to make a thread titled, "Hey Mike Bray, *k you", but then I saw this one. You did a nice job explaining my feelings on the subject. Somebody look up the number of tournament games his teams have won over the last decade.

The "burn offense" is not basketball, and today was an embarassment to the sport. Yeah, his teams do a nice job running the offense, and Bray does a great job getting them to buy into the system. But the questions you need to ask yourself is, "Is this that I'm watching really basketball, and is the way Notre Dame wins games really legitimate?". Frankly, the answers to both of those questions is no. You may say I'm simply bitter because Notre Dame seems to have our number, but really, I would have said the same thing whether we won or lost. I have been crying for the shotclock to be reduced 5-7 seconds for years, and games like this really help to illustrate that point.

What the burn offense really is, is a gimmick. Teams use gimmicks when they aren't as good as their opposition, and when you examine Notre Dame's 6-3 Big East record, it looks as if it's working. But gimmicks can only take you so far, and with the way he runs his system, Notre Dame is unlikely to ever make an Elite Eight, nevermind win a championship.

Mike Bray will never be remembered as anything other than the guy that made people who love basketball want to gauge their eyes out.

 

[dogpause]

I don't think Brey is a great coach, but give him credit for adapting to the talent. As for today, his team was the better team, no sour grapes here.

 

[Walker11]

It is kinda funny that Brey may win his 4th BE coach of year award yet he has made it past the round of 32 once in 11 years - all the way to the Sweet 16!

 

[Inyatkin]

A great coach would occasionally see the second weekend at the NCAAs

 

[high-post]

I'm bitter about having to watch my team lose an abortion of a game like that. But hey, guess what, you play the game within the parameters set forth. What ND does is, for the most part, perfectly legal; play a physical game down low, jack 3s, try to build a 3 possession lead, then bleed the clock every chance possible.
Against a younger, less disciplined team that isn't too good against a zone, it's an effective strategy.

 

[HuskyFan32]

Wait didnt we just lose at home to Mike Breya pathetic offense? Didn't we go seven minutes without scoring to start a half? Our offense is far more pathetic

 

[willie99]

It is not basketball. It is chucking and praying. It is not coached, it is not taught, and it can only be practiced to a point. Luck plays a tremendous factor. It is slow, boring, and drives people away from watching the sport. Same for the flopping inside.

Mike Brey has a chance to win Big East COY honors for the FOURTH time. More than Calhoun or Boeheim. It is insane.

It is also an insult to the sport.

zero conference championships, and absolutely no success in March

they win a few conference games here and there, that's ND claim to fame.

I guess winning a few games in Jan & Feb makes you worthy of COY honors

Brey is the anti-Calhoun. Success is measured very differently

and I despise flopping

 

[willie99]

A great coach would occasionally see the second weekend at the NCAAs

shhhhhh

maybe even win a conference championship now and then. Especially when nobody leaves early

 

[BUHusky]

oh boo-freaking-hoo about the way ND plays. Not only is it perfectly legal, but it's actually pretty damn smart considering their personnel.

If you UConn doesn't give up 11 offensive rebounds ND doesn't get as many possessions to run the burn. Or if UConn actually runs some offense and scores points (thus taking a lead) ND can't run the burn because they'll be trailing. Just look at the game played in South Bend. ND couldn't run the burn cause they were playing from behind. It's not rocket science. Calhoun said as much in the post-game presser.

 

[Devland]

It is not basketball. It is chucking and praying. It is not coached, it is not taught, and it can only be practiced to a point. Luck plays a tremendous factor. It is slow, boring, and drives people away from watching the sport. Same for the flopping inside.

Mike Brey has a chance to win Big East COY honors for the FOURTH time. More than Calhoun or Boeheim. It is insane.

It is also an insult to the sport.

I agree. I feel like I went to a basketball game and a baseball game broke out.

 

[HuskyOfLeisure]

Don't hate the player, hate the game...Brey plays within its parameters. We sucked but hopefully learned from this for the tournament (assuming we make it).

 

[21Huskies]

this thread is ridiculous... sounds like alot of sour grapes and more excuses after a loss.

if you have a less talented team and limit the amount of possessions in a game, that seems like smart coaching to me. when you use those limited possessions to take a higher risk/reward shot, if your players are shooting well, that seems like a good recipe to beat a superior team to yours when normally you should lose the game.

 

[Scoe]

how about we worry about ourselves this team has their own issues to deal with

 

[RS9999X]

Mike Brey's comments said it all. ND controlled the tempo and that tires opponenets. It's psychology. The opponent is beaten in his head because he can't conrol tempo.

 

[champs99and04]

If the shotclock was shortened to 28 or 30, it would be harder for coaches like Brey to completely destroy the tempo of the game. The beauty of basketball is that there is a lot of movement, and it only stops on a foul or dead ball. When you run the burn offense, it takes away from what basketball is supposed to be. You could say it's "smart" for Brey to shorten the game, but really, we need a rule change to make these games more watchable, allow the more talented players to shine, and make college basketball fun again. I'm all for defense, but the hand checking, long shotclocks, charge calls, and constant media timeouts are taking away the rhythm of a good college basketball game. It has nothing to do with the way UConn is playing, and everything to do with the good of the game.

 

[MCNPA]

I was just going to make a thread titled, "Hey Mike Bray, *k you", but then I saw this one. You did a nice job explaining my feelings on the subject. Somebody look up the number of tournament games his teams have won over the last decade.

The "burn offense" is not basketball, and today was an embarassment to the sport. Yeah, his teams do a nice job running the offense, and Bray does a great job getting them to buy into the system. But the questions you need to ask yourself is, "Is this that I'm watching really basketball, and is the way Notre Dame wins games really legitimate?". Frankly, the answers to both of those questions is no. You may say I'm simply bitter because Notre Dame seems to have our number, but really, I would have said the same thing whether we won or lost. I have been crying for the shotclock to be reduced 5-7 seconds for years, and games like this really help to illustrate that point.

What the burn offense really is, is a gimmick. Teams use gimmicks when they aren't as good as their opposition, and when you examine Notre Dame's 6-3 Big East record, it looks as if it's working. But gimmicks can only take you so far, and with the way he runs his system, Notre Dame is unlikely to ever make an Elite Eight, nevermind win a championship.

Mike Bray will never be remembered as anything other than the guy that made people who love basketball want to gauge their eyes out.

It's a gimmick as much as anything else is. He plays slow-down half-court basketball. Teams that don't like it must need to press and trap the out of his teams and take it out of the "burn" offense's hands. Some teams run, he does the opposite. There's one ball. Force his teams to beat you. The "burn" works poorly when they are down by a good margin.