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Message: [QUOTE="brasssbonanzaa, post: 4773909, member: 794"] This discussion shouldn't be continuing this long because it forces the kinds of posts some have had to make here that seem to demean Vital's accomplishments here. But alas... When we're talking about a program of UConn's caliber that has as many titles as we do, and the number of ultra-high-end players we've had, that's the unspoken barometer to get on the wall. Think of it this way, consider some other players there beyond the obvious top 5: Donyell, Smith, Caron, Gay. How often were those guys the best player on the floor against superior Big East talent? Often. How frequent was Vital the best player on the floor against mediocre AAC talent? Not often. That's only one completely subjective evaluation, but it is what it is. CV does not deserve this kind of negativity - Dan's right that CV's fingerprints were all over the foundation he built on this program. But that's not enough. He had a fantastic attitude and is worthy of immense respect for sticking it out through the darkest years of the program. He deserved to play in the NCAA tournament, he deserved to experience some of the success he helped build. But he did not achieve the level of success that others on the wall did - he simply didn't. He cannot be up there just because he's beloved. [/QUOTE]