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Message: [QUOTE="Towney007, post: 3327919, member: 5832"] I think part of it is them being ruined. A lot of bad habbits don't get broken over night - if you can even break them, period. Drug addicts die all the time - and do so knowing none of their actions make rational change AND even WANTING to stop doing drugs. The other part of it is them just not being very good - and their mental blocks being a contributor to their limitations as players. I mean outside of Gilbert who came in as a McDonalds All American - none of these guys came in with any sort of pedigree other than us trying to relentlessly talk ourselves into them being good or having upside somehow. [/QUOTE]