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Message: [QUOTE="freescooter, post: 4021828, member: 1023"] Now THAT is a straw man. Villanova is to the NEW IE what Gonzaga is to its conference. Head and shoulders better. If you look at their conference record, the fact that they have won or shared every NEWBIE regular season got to the championship game 6 of 7 years, are only one of 3 teams to get past the first weekend. The othersXavier and Creighton did it once each. Yeah they are really really good. Ask yourself who else is even close? [/QUOTE]