Horrible brawl after a charge taken

[HuskyFan1125]

at the Southern University and Texas Southern women's basketball game on Saturday night.

this has to be right up there with the Cincinnati and Xavier men a few years ago. I cant stand incidents like this in sports. Just a shame.

Texas Southern, who was the conference leader at 16-2, has to forfeit the season due to so many expulsions.

http://theadvocate.com/sports/11793873-32/late-game-melee-involving-cheerleaders

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-b...ference-bans-15-texas-southern-southern-fight

 

[johnnyc]

I don't think this is what they meant when they coined the term March madness.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I don't think this is what they meant when they coined the term March madness.

Welcome to the genteel South.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

at the Southern University and Texas Southern women's basketball game on Saturday night.

this has to be right up there with the Cincinnati and Xavier men a few years ago. I cant stand incidents like this in sports. Just a shame.

Texas Southern, who was the conference leader at 16-2, has to forfeit the season due to so many expulsions.

http://theadvocate.com/sports/11793873-32/late-game-melee-involving-cheerleaders

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-b...ference-bans-15-texas-southern-southern-fight

According to Charlie Creme, they're coming to Columbia to play USC in the first round. He must not have heard...

 

[John Glass]

if charges were called properly these incidents would never happen, to many teams flop, and officials fall for it

 

[Icebear]

If it was called a double forfeit how is one team awarded the victory. Isn't it simply a forfeit and Southern won?

 

[Striper69]

if charges were called properly these incidents would never happen, to many teams flop, and officials fall for it

It wasn't a flop. The girl just ran into the other girl. She was out of control (to put it mildly).

The cheerleader guys were just trying to hold back a few of the girls.

All in all a pretty dumb fight.

 

[Oxford Bob]

If it was called a double forfeit how is one team awarded the victory. Isn't it simply a forfeit and Southern won?

Because there was more than 10 minutes left in the game, the team leading can't be declared the winner.

 

[John Glass]

It wasn't a flop. The girl just ran into the other girl. She was out of control (to put it mildly).

The cheerleader guys were just trying to hold back a few of the girls.

All in all a pretty dumb fight.

I didn't see the video- I still think charges are not called properly, undercutting is frequently called a charge

 

[vtcwbuff]

A pretty disgusting display. The 2nd person in should be dismissed from the team.

 

[meyers7]

I didn't see the video- I still think charges are not called properly, undercutting is frequently called a charge

Well, look at the video, because your comments have nothing to do with what transpired.

 

[Icebear]

Because there was more than 10 minutes left in the game, the team leading can't be declared the winner.

You miss my point. I know the rule. There were more than ten minutes left. It was declared a double forfeit meaning both teams lose. After it is declared a double loss you can't give the win to one of the teams Southern. After a double forfeit there is nothing left to win.

 

[John Glass]

Well, look at the video, because your comments have nothing to do with what transpired.

actually it does, I just saw the video, and if someone hit me that hard on the street, I am still standing

 

[meyers7]

actually it does, I just saw the video, and if someone hit me that hard on the street, I am still standing

No, actually it doesn't. There was no undercut and the charge was properly called. No flop. All of which you mentioned and none of it had anything to do with the play in question.

 

[Striper69]

actually it does, I just saw the video, and if someone hit me that hard on the street, I am still standing

The girl established her position way before the other played drove into her. She stood her ground and the other player ran her over.

What happened next is another story.

 

[Stinger92860]

It appears that the ref did call a charge. A few amusing aspects were the coach in the 6 inch heels trying to walk and intercede, the ref who called the fouls wanted no part of the scrum and the mascot who walked across the court raising his hands over his head.

 

[John Glass]

No, actually it doesn't. There was no undercut and the charge was properly called. No flop. All of which you mentioned and none of it had anything to do with the play in question.

the girl was on her heels, and acted like she was hit by Marshawn Lynch, when she was bumped - my 10 year old daughter would have been knocked over

 

[meyers7]

the girl was on her heels, and acted like she was hit by Marshawn Lynch, when she was bumped - my 10 year old daughter would have been knocked over

Your point? Not that what you are saying is true, it isn't, but still, your point?

 

[Orangutan]

Of all the things to discuss about that video, I did not expect whether that was actually a charge (obviously was) to be the topic of discussion.

The real question is why the charge taker reacted so aggressively...it doesn't look malicious to me at all. And after that, why didn't their teammates pull them away from that little staredown.

 

[John Glass]

Your point? Not that what you are saying is true, it isn't, but still, your point?

ahhh every time someone falls backwards it is not a charge, I disagree with everyone who thinks she was run over by a Mack truck, there was contact, but the offensive player was slowing down / stopping to pass the ball

 

[BigBird]

While ESPN showed the vid on their web site, they have otherwise buried it beyond sight of their main highlights and talk shows. You mean there isn't a story here? Maybe it was shown, and I just failed to catch it on Sportscenter.

 

[DobbsRover2]

the girl was on her heels, and acted like she was hit by Marshawn Lynch, when she was bumped - my 10 year old daughter would have been knocked over

So tell us when the force of the charge ever was a deciding factor in whether it is called. Have you ever watched a UConn versus Notre Dame game?

The rulebook does not mention anything about how hard the charge has to be, simply that it is physical contact between an offensive and defensive player when the defensive players has established legal guarding position. We have all seen players plow through defenders with a huge amount of force and not be called for a charge if the refs for whatever reason don't see the play as a charge. There was not a huge amount of force in this case, but that is irrelevant because the offensive player ran into the defender in good legal guarding position and tipped her over by looming over her till she fell back. That's a charge in anyone's book, well I guess almost everyone's.

UScar might have gotten a real scare in a #1 versus #16 match up with Texas Southern, as the Lady Tigers look like they could have fought to the end against the Game-c-o-c-ks and maybe even have taken them down, cause they certainly pack a punch. Now Creme has USCar up against the next highest SWAC team Jackson State, which has a 13-16 record but will be seeded #1 in the SWAC tournament with the two top teams out.

 

[meyers7]

ahhh every time someone falls backwards it is not a charge,

Which again, has nothing to do with this situation.

I disagree with everyone who thinks she was run over by a Mack truck, there was contact, but the offensive player was slowing down / stopping to pass the ball

Sorry, you're out to lunch. It was an easy charge call. Nobody was saying she was run over by a Mack truck. But the charge was properly called, there was not undercutting and there was no flop. This was a pretty easy straight forward call.

 

[stamfordhusky]

if charges were called properly these incidents would never happen, to many teams flop, and officials fall for it

1. It was a clear charge.
2. It is ridiculous to suggest that "these incidents would never happen" if refs didn't miss calls. The ref actually got the call right - but assume (incorrectly) for a moment that it should have been a block and the ref called it that way. Given the sort of unsportsmanlike, out-of-control players who created this incident, one or the other would still have gotten in the other's face and we would still have had a possibility of the same sort of brawl.
3. If a ref possibly getting a block/charge call wrong is something that can precipitate a brawl, then there is no way to prevent them - since players usually think the ref blew the call (even when the ref is right).

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I'm thinking that the real culprit here is the assistant coach with the 9 inch heels who couldn't get out there fast enough to prevent escalation!