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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 2640385, member: 7492"] [USER=6819]@JordyG[/USER] said some good things and some things that have become trivial or easy fodder on this board in my view. Let me state ahead of time, I dislike Tennessee Fans more than anything but respect the program, what the school tries to do and what Pat Summitt still stands for. My comments will certainly agitate some: If I may elaborate some...Jordy nailed the comment on Russell-I said it yesterday that she is the 1st #1 prospect to never make an All-American team. I also think [USER=250]@RockyMTblue2[/USER] was being sarcastic that he hoped Dean would be named HC. That to me, is the definition of insanity-you tried it once (hiring an assistant on the team) and it didn't work, go elsewhere. Where I got lost with Jordy was the playing time comment and then his segue to the list of coaches. On his playing time: [LIST] [*]I have to believe that yes, given the 2 years on a down cycle of recruiting, she probably did promise minutes to [B]Anastasia Hayes[/B] as they needed a point guard and [*]Yes, she also could have promised minutes to [B]Evina Westbrook[/B], who as the #2 player in the class would warrant playing time given how many needs the LV's had this year and both did, in fact did play as they were needed. I don't know that she promised the others significant playing time. [*]The other follow-up would be let's say she did promise them playing time because the team was light on talent, [B]so what?[/B] That's not a disgrace per se', the disgrace is the fact she has not been able to develop the players even over the year as they make the same mistakes again and again. I know [USER=352]@stwainfan[/USER] has postulated that Nared and Russell have improved over the years at UT and I would agree, whether that is attributable to CHW or the players themselves and any of the camps or squads they participate in over the summer is what is debatable. Both attended the USA camp this summer and made the squad. [/LIST] For the coaching comment that Jordy stated, the issue is different for each of the coaches he mentioned. [LIST] [*]Doug, for all his coaching acumen, cannot draw top talent to DePaul. So while we all agree he is pretty good at coaching, part of the role is to get top talent, which he has not been able to do. That has to be on him in not getting really good players but yet we all give him a pass and give excuses why he can't get talent. Yes he can coach players up, but he's been to 2 sweet 16's in his career-that's it. Heck, Holly has been to 3 elite 8's. Geno has said the #1 skill is to get the really good players. [*]Rueck is similar to Bruno, he has not brought in truly elite talent but that is changing with the #7 recruit next year, Aquino and with Destiny Slocum (#7 from 2016) becoming eligible so he may have turned the corner in getting elite talent. It will also help that he may entice the Oregon trail to be cutoff to Tenn and head towards Corvallis. [*]Graves is a couple years ahead of Rueck in getting recruits, but can he coach as well as Scott remains to be seen. Will Kelly outcoach McGraw and get to a final four???? [*]Tara is odd in that for all her accomplishments, she goes through droughts of elite talent, now, this year, she has 6 McDonald's AA's on the squad, most of which are Fresh and Soph's so she could be in for a nice run. No one can or should question her ability on either front. While she has won 2 NC's and that was in 1990 and 1992 and she has not capitalized since, not really a good thing. [/LIST] This board tends to call coaches who recruit well but don't win as much as perceived to be underachievers-See Kim Mulkey, Brenda Frese, Joanne P McCallie, Jeff Walz and now Karen Aston and in some courts, even Muffet McGraw is perceived as underachieving given the recruits she gets. We tend to give far too much leeway to anyone from the Geno Tree of coaching (either assistants or friends-Staley included) despite ample evidence of many of them being slightly better than average and still far below Holly. My point is to state recruiting is a skill of its own and a critical skill just as or more important than the actual coaching to truly be successful. Yes, she's underachieved, yes, she's in over her head and yes, she is simply too nice to be effective. The scary thing is she's done pretty well despite being pretty inept... Last, here's another set of articles late last night touting more of the same: [URL="https://allfortennessee.com/2016/01/15/tennessee-lady-vols-holly-warlick-should-officially-be-on-the-hot-seat/"]Tennessee Lady Vols: Holly Warlick Should Officially be on the Hot Seat[/URL] [URL="http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/columns/story/2018/mar/20/wiedmer-whdo-warlick-no-easy-call-fulmer/466321/"]Wiedmer: Fate of Lady Vols coach Holly Warlick not an easy call for Phillip Fulmer[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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