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Message: [QUOTE="JoePgh, post: 2640228, member: 1131"] Do you honestly think that if Doug Bruno, Vic Schaefer, Jose Fernandez, Gary Blair, Scott Rueck, Kelly Graves, or Tara Vanderveer (never mind Geno) had had the rosters that Tennessee had in those 2012-2018 years, that they would have had those results? I think any of those coaches would have gotten 3 or 4 Final Fours and possibly 1 or 2 NC's in those years. Vic Schaefer has proved it with a roster in Starkville that is less talented (and less accomplished in high school) than the Tennessee roster. So, given the rosters, Holly's record is nothing to be proud of. Also, I agree with those who say that when Holly deplores criticism of the players, she is really talking about criticism of herself. Ironically, on VolNation, it is only Holly's defenders who are seriously critical of the players (saying that Holly can't make them make shots or play defense, etc.). Everyone else (the great majority, apparently) do not blame the players but blame Holly (solely or primarily) for the results that she has gotten with those players. More ironically, one of the things that Holly apparently has not done is to blame the players (i.e., hold them accountable) for their own poor performances. If she blamed the players more often or more convincingly, others might blame both her and the players less, because Tennessee would win more games against serious opposition. [/QUOTE]