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Message: [QUOTE="Bronx23, post: 2640138, member: 8501"] Yes the players have to do all those things starting with taking responsibility. But it's also true that coaching matters. Pat was the greatest coach during her era or at least til the later parts of her era. The strength and force of her personality helped will her players to success. I'm not sure her style of play works as well as it used to. As many others have pointed out, getting the best players and throwing it up there and either making them or getting offensive rebounds because your players are bigger and stronger, no longer as workable. Holly can't change her style, ways and trying to be Pat! #1 she is not Pat and you can't be what you're not! #2 while Pat would do better clearly with these same players, she wouldn't be as successful now with the U Conn style of play becoming more prevalent of ball movement and sharing it! Also the better teams are no longer intimidated, nor should they be, of Tenn! Many still are of U Conn! Holly needs to go immediately and obviously has a booster in high places. Obviously they care more about her being Pat's 2nd hand or mentee than being a top notch program. She can recruit but not coach, and you need to do both! Bronx23 [/QUOTE]