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The answer is coaches stepping up to the plate and demanding excellence.

Geno has done it. Geno has opened his practices to other coaches. What he does is no secret. He treats his players as athletes, plain and simple.

They all need to take Bria's comments to heart on an interview - this is a paraphrase. We don't just practice until we get it right. We practice it until we can't get it wrong!
 

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In fairness, the article doesn't explicitly say "UConn is bad for the game", or "UConn is too good", or that, somehow, the dominance of the Huskies is "unfair". In fact, it is quite complimentary, speaking of "beautiful basketball", etc.. It does say that UConn needs competition - which seems to put the onus on the rest of women's basketball to improve.

I think it was Doug Bruno who said that "Geno does more with more". At first glance, that may sound a bit flip, but, I've really come to appreciate it. Increasingly, you heard this year that the UConn staff has higher expectations than most programs, runs practices that expect (and achieve) more, are as well-conditioned as anybody else, seeks a higher standard of excellence - rather than merely harping about the raw talent that walks in the door each August. "With great power comes great responsibility" really seems to be the guideline.

With the emphasis being placed thusly, I don't think the article is inappropriate.
 

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But still, McGraw wasn't being entirely hyperbolic with the Miami Heat comparison; UConn was playing in a different league.

Well at Midnight Madness (or 1st Night or whatever it's called), Geno did say UCONN is in a league of it's own.
 

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If Geno produced too good a team in 2013-14, he should have been COY, notwithstanding how good a job Muffet did. End of story.
 
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The answer is coaches stepping up to the plate and demanding excellence.

This. There was TONS of blow outs this tournament. Most in games not involving UConn. I saw very little coaching, strategy, and player pride on display. Games that should have been evenly matched were blow outs.

I saw a Maryland post player, down 23 points to ND, stand still and allowing a ND player to get an offensive rebound put back and score. If you can't show pride and box out down 23 in a National Semi Final on National TV than that just tells you all you need to know about the difference in what a UConn and ND demand in terms of excellence and everyone else.
 
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The answer "for the good of the sport" isn't to penalize UCONN or somehow prevent them from being so good. The 90% of the teams in this sport who are not very good draw 346 fans to their games. C'mon, really - what's worse than watching two bad womens basketball teams play each other? So if the BEST weren't allowed to be as good, then they would start becoming less interesting to the fans too, and the whole thing backslides. The answer is for everyone else to get better, and therefore more interesting to the fans.
 

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Too bad. I have no more patience for this argument. When somebody builds a better team they'll win. Until then stop whining and just admire the excellence.
 

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As pinotbear mentions, the article isn't really about UConn being too good. The article is a celebration of the wonderful way in which UConn plays basketball and suggests that other teams need to step up and play better. I think the article is right on the mark.
 

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As pinotbear mentions, the article isn't really about UConn being too good. The article is a celebration of the wonderful way in which UConn plays basketball and suggests that other teams need to step up and play better. I think the article is right on the mark.

Not until the last remark in the article ...... "and quickly" .

This would indicate that

A) Uconn dominance is bad for the game
or
B) Sick of UCONN

Either way both tired and obvious refrains from non Uconn fans.
 

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Plus we may be getting vulnerable, what with the sucky league and a bigs problem. So it's too soon to say we're not going to be losing some games in the years coming up....
 

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Too bad. I have no more patience for this argument. When somebody builds a better team they'll win. Until then stop whining and just admire the excellence.
Interesting point. I met someone at the WNIT that is in the media business, not a UConn fan at all, who commented that they have to watch every UConn game they can to admire the excellence. He went on to raise all the points one sees mentioned on the BY that contribute to the beauty and excellence of UConn's game from a basketball sense (he also accurately predicted, within a few points, the margins of all the FF games).

But, that said, he went on to say that UConn is "bad" for the fan-bases of other teams, who are tired of UConn dominance, and who deep down are, at the least, fustrated. As someone on the BY noted regarding your former players and coaches that now have their own teams, Geno doesn't seem able to be duplicated. And, as I have said, I personally know former fans that have given up due to UConn's dominance.

At the same time, he speculated that the effect of UConn on non-WBB fans was difficult to get a handle on. Some could care less because it isn't their team, others who might watch a game here and there get turned off by the blow-outs (not exclusive to UConn), and a few might watch a few minutes here and there just to see UConn, after which they will either become UConn fans or not at all.

None of which is a knock on UConn. I don't think anyone - even the most rabid anti-UConn fan out there - thinks that UConn should change anything or in any way become worse (some may wish they would, which is far different from thinking they should). No one thought Tennessee in the day should stop trying to win basketball championships and games, again, they just wished they would. The key as everyone says is for teams to get better, but it isn't easy. Few teams (if any) have the talent UConn has, none have the coaching.
 
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Plus we may be getting vulnerable, what with the sucky league and a bigs problem. So it's too soon to say we're not going to be losing some games in the years coming up....

The league will not be UConn's problem; the real question is how much longer will Geno coach? He's around 60, correct? I'm not saying he's going to retire in the next couple years, but at some point in the next decade, he will step down, and that is when a downturn is apt to happen. Plus, the pressure on the next coach will be incredible. You never want to be the person to succeed a legend; you can never be good enough.

Geno has also shown to be a unique coach in that he has improved all levels of talent. Early on, he had average at best players and coached them up to be good. Then he started getting good players and was able to coach them up to be great. and now he gets great players and molds them into a seamless team. Very few coaches can do those 3 things; there are many good coaches who can only coach average talent up, or can only coach great talent. It is the rare coach who can coach all levels of talent and once he retires ...
 

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Edwin Moses.
Martina Navratilova.
Pete Sampras
Usain Bolt.
The Williams sisters
Tiger Woods.
Michael Phelps.
.......... Marketed correctly, they ELEVATED the sport.
 
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Edwin Moses.
Martina Navratilova.
Pete Sampras
Usain Bolt.
The Williams sisters
Tiger Woods.
Michael Phelps.

This.

Not that the article explicitly states it, but this paradigm that a team that always wins is bad for a sport, or that "parity" is good for a sport, to me, is utter nonsense.

Just as every great story needs a great villain (e.g. "JR" on Dallas), every sport needs that greatness against which to measure and compete.

The Yankees of the mid-to-late 90's. Michael Jordan. The Joe Montana / Steve Young 49ers. Manchester United (until this year). This UConn team.

The chance to compete against greatness is at the very core of competition. The week long wait for a Phil Simms / NY Giants matchup with the Joe Montana / 49ers seemed interminable.

After all, I rather doubt one of the most venerable, inspirational Broadway tunes would have been so had it been written thusly:
" To dream the entirely possible dream,
To fight the relatively beatable foe,
To bear with quite bearable sorrow
To run where commonplace folk are reluctant to go"

For all the naysayers - check out UConn's road attendance and TV ratings and get back to me...
 
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UCONN's program started with a $29,000 contract to an assistant coach and a commitment by the school to improve. You can hire a coach and recruit players but without a commitment to them there will be no improvement. There are very few schools that have that level of commitment to women's sports, in general, and basketball in particular.
 
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it is VERY frustrating to me as a UConn fan.... the fans that dont like UConn -- please get off it, and preach to the coach and players of your team to step their game up. like why is UConn the scapegoat?

fans of duke, syracuse, tennessee, notre dame, maryland, UNC, USC, etc. ...like cmon all 'top teams' have talent. uconn doesnt have anything different than these 'top teams' in terms of talent, but they need to be punished because, what... they have better coaching? better practice habits? better tutelage? better respect? thats not uconns fault, its coaches/players/ADs at the other schools
 

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The answer is coaches stepping up to the plate and demanding excellence.

Geno has done it. Geno has opened his practices to other coaches. What he does is no secret. He treats his players as athletes, plain and simple.

They all need to take Bria's comments to heart on an interview - this is a paraphrase. We don't just practice until we get it right. We practice it until we can't get it wrong!


So, any coach has the ability to do what Geno does? It is really nothing special? Pure and simple, not every coach, and very few, will ever be able to emulate what Geno does.
 
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it is VERY frustrating to me as a UConn fan.... the fans that dont like UConn -- please get off it, and preach to the coach and players of your team to step their game up. like why is UConn the scapegoat?

fans of duke, syracuse, tennessee, notre dame, maryland, UNC, USC, etc. ...like cmon all 'top teams' have talent. uconn doesnt have anything different than these 'top teams' in terms of talent, but they need to be punished because, what... they have better coaching? better practice habits? better tutelage? better respect? thats not uconns fault, its coaches/players/ADs at the other schools

Honestly, a lot of you need to work on your reading comprehension. The article basically does challange other teams to step up.

ND has done that to some extent, with 4 straight final fours and three title game apperances, but until they can recruit a couple of bigger players sizewise, they are going to continue to play second fiddle. It's not a coincidence that ND's only title came when they had a legitimate center in Ruth Riley; they haven't had that since, even with their recent success.

The scary thing is not the gap between UConn and the rest of WBB, it's that there's a gap between UConn and ND, and then another gap to everyone else.
 
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I don't think anyone - even the most rabid anti-UConn fan out there - thinks that UConn should change anything or in any way become worse (some may wish they would, which is far different from thinking they should). No one thought Tennessee in the day should stop trying to win basketball championships and games, again, they just wished they would. The key as everyone says is for teams to get better, but it isn't easy. Few teams (if any) have the talent UConn has, none have the coaching.

Sadly, that's not completely true. I see people, who even post here pretending to be friendly to Husky nation, posting on other boards calling on all quality student-athletes to "do the right thing" and boycott UConn.
 
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Honestly, a lot of you need to work on your reading comprehension. The article basically does challange other teams to step up.

ND has done that to some extent, with 4 straight final fours and three title game apperances, but until they can recruit a couple of bigger players sizewise, they are going to continue to play second fiddle. It's not a coincidence that ND's only title came when they had a legitimate center in Ruth Riley; they haven't had that since, even with their recent success.

The scary thing is not the gap between UConn and the rest of WBB, it's that there's a gap between UConn and ND, and then another gap to everyone else.
People are responding to articles and statements that have been made repeatedly over the years. As UConn fans we've been bombarded with such carp, for at least a decade now. People may not haave even read this article, assuming it, not unreasonably, to be more of the same. If you're a genuine WBB fan, you'll have seen at least some of it. As UConn fans we see it constantly. it sticks in our craws, to have fans of schools with more McBurger queens playing for them than UConn does, denouncing the Huskies as "just having all the talent". I was a big mcbb fan in the late 60s and early 70s, read all the magazines, Street & Smiths etc, I never once saw such a denunciation of UCLA. Things that make you say, "Hmmm."
 

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Sadly, that's not completely true. I see people, who even post here pretending to be friendly to Husky nation, posting on other boards calling on all quality student-athletes to "do the right thing" and boycott UConn.
That's just absurd, though. I haven't seen anything like that on the RU board (the only one I read) although I admit a few fans thought it would be a great idea if good teams boycotted playing UConn. They are entitled to their opinion, they weren't doing anything active about it.

I really don't care who UConn plays, and even if I personally would like RU to take a year or 2 off, I get that playing UConn is a win / win situation. Great experience no matter what, doesn't affect your ranking much if you lose and everything to gain in the unlikely event you win.
 
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I wasn't a WCBB fan at the time, but was there all this hand wringing when Tennessee was winning their 8 championships? Were they bad for the game?
 

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Honestly, a lot of you need to work on your reading comprehension. The article basically does challange other teams to step up.

ND has done that to some extent, with 4 straight final fours and three title game apperances, but until they can recruit a couple of bigger players sizewise, they are going to continue to play second fiddle. It's not a coincidence that ND's only title came when they had a legitimate center in Ruth Riley; they haven't had that since, even with their recent success.

The scary thing is not the gap between UConn and the rest of WBB, it's that there's a gap between UConn and ND, and then another gap to everyone else.

I'm not sure that this year isn't an exception as far as ND being way ahead of everyone else. People have to remember, that even UConn doesn't win it every year and GA even alluded to the fact that last year we were probably not the "best" team. Moreover, UConn does not typically go unbeaten, even in several of the championship years. What really separates UConn is that unlike say, Baylor last year, when UConn is pretty much totally healthy, and have had the best team during the season, they don't lose. Further, even when UConn is not the "best" team and even when they have critical injuries, they are almost always legitimately in the hunt for the NC. The likelihood is that with an uninjured Nykesha ,an uninjured Svet and Shea, and, I admit I'm forgetting who won when a few other key players were out such as Kalana, Mel Thomas, and Caroline there would be a few more trophies in UConn's trophy room.

It's really rare that women are beaten or even given a scare by an unranked team, their losses almost exclusively coming to very good teams. That is what separates them. Obviously, the gap between the top teams and the rest of women's hoops is big, but some of the cast of characters changes a bit a times. The era of UConn excellence with periodic challenges from teams that come and go is extraordinarily long. Yes, Geno gets terrific players, but 5 or 6 other schools pretty regularly get several good players, and sometimes they might out perform a UConn team for a season here or there, but they don't sustain it. Tennessee sustained domination for a long time, and even post-Summitt they haven't gone into hiding, but we get to see what a regular difference a meticulous and demanding coach can make. If UConn's excellence screws up the interest of fans, there is only one solution I can think of without messing up UConn (or retiring GA just yet). The coaching just has to get better.

BTW, it seemed this year that, based on the tournament as a whole, the depth of quality over all wasn't that bad. A lot of competitive games. If the only thing that keeps fans interested is the potential to win an NC, then there is big problem if the measure is going to be the top team or the top 10-15 teams. I think the problem that exists today is the one that has existed forever in women's hoops. The fan interest in general isn't there unless the school has a very good team.(not that different in a lot of men's programs.) No doubt in my mind that if GA had never made a trip to Storrs for an interview, the level of interest in the program, assuming we stayed kind of like Providence or even a bit better, would be zilch. If there were a way to get fans in schools of 2 average teams to attend the games between them in decent numbers, the sport would be getting to a better place. They might be seeing a decent competitive contest, While unsuccessful coaches are being replaced somewhat more often than in the past, to me places like Georgia and Villanova, that have retained modestly successful coaches for decades in high level conferences shows either the difference in attitudes in college AD and presidents' offices between men's and women's hoops where you'd wsee 3 mens's coaches in the same time period,, or the resignation to the fact that they probably can't do any better with a replacement.
 
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