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Message: [QUOTE="nomar, post: 5059265, member: 651"] It's not based on his denials. Don't be fatuous. He raked for 13 years after that 2003 list came out, was repeatedly subject to random testing, and never tested positive. His body shape never dramatically changed. Even when he was a rookie and "skinny," he looked like David Ortiz. You're calling someone a juicer, you need to bring [I]some [/I]evidence other than a list (from 13 years before his career ended) that MLB has said was unreliable. Putting aside actual evidence, where's your circumstantial evidence, other than your vibes? So as I said before, he's either a great player or the world's greatest cheat. We'll agree to disagree as to which, but insisting that I'm merely taking him at his word is disingenuous. Good for quick likes from Sox haters, nothing more. [/QUOTE]