Hannah Hidalgo’s Good/Bad Game

[oldude]

Last night during the SEC/ACC challenge game vs Ole Miss, Hannah Hidalgo had a very good game with 28 pts, 5 steals & 8/8 from the FT line as ND built a big 1st half lead.

She also had a very bad game shooting only 42%, 0/3 from the arc with 6 turnovers as ND gave up their lead during the 2nd half, losing by 6.

To top it all off, she fouled out of the game, with her 2nd technical for taunting with 9 seconds left and had to be told by Coach Ivey to leave the bench for the locker room.

It will be interesting to see which Hannah Hidalgo shows up to play UConn later in the season: the good one, the bad one or both…… 🧐

 

[my2cents]

I watched the game. Not only did she have 6 turnovers, but only 2 assts. She does not have an asst. to turnover ratio, but a turnover to asst. ratio.
A lot of her turnovers came at crunch time with her trying to be a hero. She could not play for Geno. Not a surprise why ND suffered so many transfers, such as Olivia Miles. Nobody wants to play with her.

 

[oldude]

I watched the game. Not only did she have 6 turnovers, but only 2 assts. She does not have an asst. to turnover ratio, but a turnover to asst. ratio.
A lot of her turnovers came at crunch time with her trying to be a hero. She could not play for Geno. Not a surprise why ND suffered so many transfers, such as Olivia Miles. Nobody wants to play with her.

I sense there is something of a battle of wills between HH & Coach Ivey. On the one hand, HH is the last remaining star at ND with the transfer/graduation of 7 players from last year’s team. On the other hand, once she starts to play “out of control” everything snowballs.

 

[my2cents]

I sense there is something of a battle of wills between HH & Coach Ivey. On the one hand, HH is the last remaining star at ND with the transfer/graduation of 7 players from last year’s team. On the other hand, once she starts to play “out of control” everything snowballs.

"Out of control" being the key point.

 

[Baller29]

She is out of control but to be fair she doesn’t have much help. She doesn’t have support

 

[Forego]

Media reports seem to downplay this occurrence. They attribute Hidalgo’s behavior to the fact that she is an emotional player. Other reports consider her second technical to be a weak ejection.
Have you ever noticed that players tend to draw a second technical foul late in the fourth quarter after the game is already decided? Could that indicate that drawing the second technical was deliberate and not an emotional reaction? The ejected player is aware that ejection is only for a minute or so (or just seconds) and will have no bearing on the outcome of the game. A second technical and its ejection of the player should carry over to the next game on the schedule. The second technical should not be perceived as a heroic action.

 

[Sifaka]

Being a curious, enquiring sort of fellow, I can't help but wonder…

Is Ms. Hidalgo just a jerk with some prodigious basketball talents?

 

[oldude]

Media reports seem to downplay this occurrence. They attribute Hidalgo’s behavior to the fact that she is an emotional player. Other reports consider her second technical to be a weak ejection.
Have you ever noticed that players tend to draw a second technical foul late in the fourth quarter after the game is already decided? Could that indicate that drawing the second technical was deliberate and not an emotional reaction? The ejected player is aware that ejection is only for a minute or so (or just seconds) and will have no bearing on the outcome of the game. A second technical and its ejection of the player should carry over to the next game on the schedule. The second technical should not be perceived as a heroic action.

Your suggestion would be similar to an ejection for a college football player where the penalty is both ejection from the current game and the player is ineligible during the 1st half of the next game.

 

[Bone Dog]

I’ve only seen highlights, though in this case they compress plays to make it easier to see some things building. In the 4th quarter, Hannah was stuffed on two important drives and missed wildly on a third. She clearly wanted a whistle on two of them and her frustration was palpable. The taunting, whatever it really consisted of, was not very voluble so it was hard to see. She must have been saying things either to the Ole Miss players or even to the ref. But the pressure on her to carry this team is probably immense. So whatever frustrations spilled out in that last technical, it might have been aimed at any number of things.

On the positive side, ND played well for the first half. They were winning handily and looked crisp and proficient for long stretches. That seemed largely due to Hannah.

I also wonder if this was her first time playing against Cotie McMahon. Those are two hard heads who also play with high intensity. In one play, Hannah got a steal from behind off Cotie that probably should have been whistled, and Cotie ended up sprawled on the floor afterwards. I mean, it wouldn’t have been flagged in the NFL, but…

 

[DEpup]

Media reports seem to downplay this occurrence. They attribute Hidalgo’s behavior to the fact that she is an emotional player. Other reports consider her second technical to be a weak ejection.
Have you ever noticed that players tend to draw a second technical foul late in the fourth quarter after the game is already decided? Could that indicate that drawing the second technical was deliberate and not an emotional reaction? The ejected player is aware that ejection is only for a minute or so (or just seconds) and will have no bearing on the outcome of the game. A second technical and its ejection of the player should carry over to the next game on the schedule. The second technical should not be perceived as a heroic action.

I watched the game and it looked simply as a frustrated non professional immature taunt because they were going to lose and she knew it. I agree with others that a second half ejection should include first half of following game like football.

 

[DEpup]

And BTW-- since they are getting paid now, shouldn't we have fines for intentional acts?

 

[Frankus]

Last night during the SEC/ACC challenge game vs Ole Miss, Hannah Hidalgo had a very good game with 28 pts, 5 steals & 8/8 from the FT line as ND built a big 1st half lead.

She also had a very bad game shooting only 42%, 0/3 from the arc with 6 turnovers as ND gave up their lead during the 2nd half, losing by 6.

To top it all off, she fouled out of the game, with her 2nd technical for taunting with 9 seconds left and had to be told by Coach Ivey to leave the bench for the locker room.

It will be interesting to see which Hannah Hidalgo shows up to play UConn later in the season: the good one, the bad one or both…… 🧐

EVERY team in the country would love to have Hannah Hidalgo. That’s a fact.

As an ND fan I like that HH hates to lose and is pissed when she doesn’t. She has the heart of a lion. If we had 5 other players with her heart we’d be a much better team.

 

[GamecockFam]

She is out of control but to be fair she doesn’t have much help. She doesn’t have support

Thank you! I was about to state this if no one else did. Honestly she has no choice but to force the issue because she is by far the best player on that team and probably the only reliable player against the best competition on their schedule. If she didn't play hero ball, then they would've been blown out.

 

[TheFarmFan]

EVERY team in the country would love to have Hannah Hidalgo. That’s a fact.

As an ND fan I like that HH hates to lose and is pissed when she doesn’t. She has the heart of a lion. If we had 5 other players with her heart we’d be a much better team.

Geno and CD: "hold our vino!"

 

[oldude]

EVERY team in the country would love to have Hannah Hidalgo. That’s a fact.

As an ND fan I like that HH hates to lose and is pissed when she doesn’t. She has the heart of a lion. If we had 5 other players with her heart we’d be a much better team.

Yes to the first part of your thread. But when Hannah starts forcing her play and makes mistakes, imo it shows a lack of confidence in her teammates. Now that may be a realistic concern with a team full of transfers who are still figuring out how to play together. But Hannah had similar tendencies at times when she was surrounded by AA’s and future WNBA draft picks last season.

 

[MSSportsGuy]

I happened to be in attendance with an Ole Miss friend. HH was outstanding early in the game and we were both struck by how well she was playing. One of her drives and misses she was hacked and it wasn't called but should have been.

The first technical was between she and an OM player jawing and both deserved it, and the second tech seemed to happen so quickly I didn't even catch what was said but the immediacy of the action made me wonder just what was said.

She's an incredible player and the only reliable scorer for ND.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

HH is a talent. OK, but she isn’t talented to the point where she can ignore her teammates and go 1 on 3, especially in crunch time. She won’t have help…until they get the chance to help. Can we at least agree that she doesn’t trust her teammates? If that doesn’t improve, then losing will become the least of Ivey’s worries. She had 6 TOs, but if you add in the wild shots…she had close to a dozen. I’m about to add her to my “special club” called…The bad with the good. Current members include…Fulwilley, Flaujae, Barker. Every team has this type of player, but when they play a lot of minutes their actions or inactions have a greater impact on outcomes…on the court and in the locker room.

 

[Geew1992]

She is out of control but to be fair she doesn’t have much help. She doesn’t have support

The rumors say she has some fault in all the support/players that transferred. I also, feel like last year with all that support, Coach Ivey let HH run the show.

 

[Frankus]

Yes to the first part of your thread. But when Hannah starts forcing her play and makes mistakes, imo it shows a lack of confidence in her teammates. Now that may be a realistic concern with a team full of transfers who are still figuring out how to play together. But Hannah had similar tendencies at times when she was surrounded by AA’s and future WNBA draft picks.

She falters as she fatigues, but who doesn’t? She IS ND’s offense, be it steals/layups, jump shots, or entry passes to the only inside scorer ND has. Cowles. If she doesn’t play like the NPOY in the first half that’s a 20 point loss last night.

Her biggest limitation is her size. Where the biggest superstars of the sport can shoot outside, they can also influence the half court game inside with their size. Because of her size she depends on long rebounds, and can get caught inside the trees due to her size when nobody can score and teams force her to go inside.

Her biggest area that she needs to improve is her three point shot.

Ivey does her no favor by having no pass movement in her offense. She constantly asks her players to push the ball, which leads to recklessness by all the players.

Last years team had better talent than a sweet sixteen. You think Geno would have done better with that team than Ivey? Your damn right he would have. You can pick on Hidalgo all you want, but just like in college, every WNBA team is gonna want her. Put her on a well coached team with a surrounding cast and she’s gonna thrive.

 

[oldude]

The rumors say she has some fault in all the support/players that transferred. I also, feel like last year with all that support, Coach Ivey let HH run the show.

Last year, Miles ran the show with a lot of help from Citron, Westbeld and others. This year it’s clearly HH’s show to run.

 

[YKCornelius]

She falters as she fatigues, but who doesn’t? She IS ND’s offense, be it steals/layups, jump shots, or entry passes to the only inside scorer ND has. Cowles. If she doesn’t play like the NPOY in the first half that’s a 20 point loss last night.

Her biggest limitation is her size. Where the biggest superstars of the sport can shoot outside, they can also influence the half court game inside with their size. Because of her size she depends on long rebounds, and can get caught inside the trees due to her size when nobody can score and teams force her to go inside.

Her biggest area that she needs to improve is her three point shot.

Ivey does her no favor by having no pass movement in her offense. She constantly asks her players to push the ball, which leads to recklessness by all the players.

Last years team had better talent than a sweet sixteen. You think Geno would have done better with that team than Ivey? Your damn right he would have. You can pick on Hidalgo all you want, but just like in college, every WNBA team is gonna want her. Put her on a well coached team with a surrounding cast and she’s gonna thrive.

Nah, the biggest area she has to improve is going to her left. The scout on her is to overplay her to the right and force her to go to the left. If she goes to her left, she will either pass the ball off to her teammates or miss the shot. I encourage everyone to go back and review film - it is glaring.

 

[oldude]

She falters as she fatigues, but who doesn’t? She IS ND’s offense, be it steals/layups, jump shots, or entry passes to the only inside scorer ND has. Cowles. If she doesn’t play like the NPOY in the first half that’s a 20 point loss last night.

Her biggest limitation is her size. Where the biggest superstars of the sport can shoot outside, they can also influence the half court game inside with their size. Because of her size she depends on long rebounds, and can get caught inside the trees due to her size when nobody can score and teams force her to go inside.

Her biggest area that she needs to improve is her three point shot.

Ivey does her no favor by having no pass movement in her offense. She constantly asks her players to push the ball, which leads to recklessness by all the players.

Last years team had better talent than a sweet sixteen. You think Geno would have done better with that team than Ivey? You’re damn right he would have. You can pick on Hidalgo all you want, but just like in college, every WNBA team is gonna want her. Put her on a well coached team with a surrounding cast and she’s gonna thrive.

I agree with most all of your points. As for the W, I worry about Hidalgo’s size. Mo & Crystal both were 1st round draft picks, and they are both basically out or on their way out of the W after a series of injuries.

I have this troubling image of Hidalgo driving the lane with someone like Griner waiting to meet her….. 😱

 

[Bone Dog]

I agree with most all of your points. As for the W, I worry about Hidalgo’s size. Mo & Crystal both were 1st round draft picks, and they are both basically out or on their way out of the W after a series of injuries.

I have this troubling image of Hidalgo driving the lane with someone like Griner waiting to meet her….. 😱

I share the same fear for all the super littles. It’s not that bigger players are going to injure them. It’s that in order to be competitive they have to push their joints harder than bigger players. That was happening to them all through high school and college, and it catches up with them, maybe sooner.

 

[ABCDFE]

Why would you taunt someone or team if you’re going to lose the game at that point. Makes no sense to me. But these youngins make no sense to me these days. I guess now if you get your butt whipped in the schoolyard you can yap away and ppl will understand. Oh times have changed.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I have this troubling image of Hidalgo driving the lane with someone like Griner waiting to meet her….. 😱

Griner has to be about done, she might not ever share the same court w/ Hidalgo.