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Message: [QUOTE="tzznandrew, post: 5250976, member: 168"] I mean, none of these are either of those definitionally. No school can match UConn's championship performance. You have to start college basketball during the 1969-1970 season before you have a team that also has 6 championships (UCLA). 1957 for UNC. 1951 for Kentucky. Those aren't Helms, and even without that the four major powers of Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas have more Final Fours unless you start at our first, those four have more or less kept pace. Those titles, prestige, etc. matter. It's why they have the boosters they do...not that we aren't holding our own. That said, in redoing it along two different axes [B]At-large bids (1975)[/B], the list is: 1. UNC: 15, 5 1. Duke: 15, 5 3. Kentucky: 11, 4 4. Kansas: 10, 3 5. Michigan State: 9, 2 6. Louisville: 8. 3 6. UCLA: 8, 2 8. UConn: 7, 6 9. Florida: 6, 2* 9. Michigan: 6, 1 11. Indiana: 5, 3 11. Villanova; 5, 3 11. Houston: 5, 0* 14. Ohio State: 3, 0 [B]64-team era (1985)[/B], the list is: 1. Duke: 14, 5 2. UNC: 12, 4 3. Kansas: 10, 3 4. Kentucky: 8, 3 5. Michigan State: 8, 1 6. UConn: 7, 6 7. Florida: 6, 2* 8. Villanova: 5, 3 9. UCLA: 5, 1 9. Michigan: 5, 1 11. Louisville: 4, 2 12.Indiana: 3, 1 12. Ohio State: 3, 0 14. Houston: 2, 0* [B]"UConn" era of 1999-today (Big Four only)[/B] UNC: 7, 3 (10 Final Fours since 1995) Duke: 7, 3 Kansas: 6, 2 (7 Final Fours since 1993) Kentucky: 4, 1 (7 Final Fours since 1996) [/QUOTE]