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Message: [QUOTE="CMC'72, post: 2122266, member: 7661"] Here's some ammo for Geno if DT brings it up again: 1. I was a vegetarian and vegan at intervals for 17 years. 2. One day I found that the amino acid creatine is what I was missing. 3. Creatine is what you get in red meat. 5gm of creatine is what you get for every 2-3 lbs. of red meat. 4. After 17 years, the first time I took creatine my body lit up like a light-bulb. I felt like I was buzzing. My energy level soared. 5. After that, I took it daily and my energy level was much better. 6. Later, a friend's husband was a surgeon in Monterey, Ca. Her husband told her that as soon as he cuts into a vegetarian, he knows. He said their muscle tissue shreds as it is cut, rather than gives a sharp, strong edge. I don't eat red meat, still, since 1969. But I do take creatine, which I believe is crucial to any vegan or vegetarian. And I also eat fish or chicken for extra protein on a regular basis. Someone arm Geno with this info, and he can take it to DT next time that comes up! [/QUOTE]