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Message: [QUOTE="Pudge, post: 2528257, member: 364"] Ignorant College Basketball is just not comparable to College Football. Football does have a much tighter timeframe. You can come in with the right mix and have stellar years ... then fall off dramatically. Lots of examples; but, you use Chizik because of the NC. McElwain, Hermann, Richt, Friedgen ... all rose to early heights quick. Sustainable success and Big Program status is quite hard. Urban and D’Antonio and Patterson and Bob Stoops types. In NC status in CBB, the only non Bigtime studs Coaching in the last 30 years were Jim Harrick and Tubby Smith. Both, obviously, had longtime “good” success. Kevin Ollie is in a category of his own today. I thought he had a little Matt Painter comparable ... as my bff is a Purdue guy. Painter had three very tough years after success and then turned it around. (And he and Ollie were great college players the same years). However, Painter did something to rise since his drop. And his AD stuck with him. [/QUOTE]