Game 1 Draft - Worst Pick

[jleves]

This was all but locked up for me (and many of us chatting) until the final non pick. That being said, losing the last pick is less important than the 4/5 pick (he had two in a row) by Husky15. Mouring at that spot instead of other 2/3 guys available (Robertson, Niels, Rashad, Denham, etc.) was just such a waste. He had a dominant team until that pick. At some point I said if dumb picks were countries, the Mouring pick was China (hope you don't take too much offense Husky15 - it's all in good fun).

That being said if dumb picks were mountains, not picking and being handed Tor Watts was Mt Everest.

**EDIT**

Apparently the last pick in the thread was lost in the shuffle. However, having never heard of the player,Mike KcKay, before, I don't know if I'm the Mt Everest of stupid or the pick is. (remember guys - this is fun and nothing is meant personally).

 

[YearoftheHusky]

I sent in a pic, not sure why he have me watts.

 

[jleves]

I sent in a pic, not sure why he have me watts.

Was never posted - If Champs wants me to update, I will.

 

[Husky15]

I picked Mouring because he was a good 3 point shooter, free throw shooter, and he wasn't a bad defender, I think he had 6 steals in a game vs miami, but I understand the criticism.

 

[Hoophound]

I was surprised how low Henefeld went. That dude made a middle of the pack crew a top 3 team.

 

[intlzncster]

Obviously, Mouring in a landslide. He was only 37% from 3 his senior year. The reason is he was at his strongest as a complimentary player off the bench. He would have been a fantastic 6/7 round pick. Tony Robertson is a 1200 point scorer, could dunk, shoot, and D with the best of them. Undervalued guy in the draft.

The reason why it was a bad pick, is that if you take TR there and DD next, you'd be damn near impossible to beat. Not going to lie though, I loved the Sellers pick.

But not picking Donny Marshall until the 3rd to last pick was very strange. I thought he was going to go undrafted. That was my 'worst pick'.

 

[Husky15]

Can we reveal the whole discussion thread, I really want to see the analysis of the picks besides my pick of Mouring

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Obviously, Mouring in a landslide. He was only 37% from 3 his senior year. The reason is he was at his strongest as a complimentary player off the bench. He would have been a fantastic 6/7 round pick. Tony Robertson is a 1200 point scorer, could dunk, shoot, and D with the best of them. Undervalued guy in the draft.

The reason why it was a bad pick, is that if you take TR there and DD next, you'd be damn near impossible to beat. Not going to lie though, I loved the Sellers pick.

But not picking Donny Marshall until the 3rd to last pick was very strange. I thought he was going to go undrafted. That was my 'worst pick'.

The 37% in his senior year thing doesn't matter since you get their peak year. That was my understanding and my reasoning for picking Boone and Oriakhi.

 

[Husky15]

The 37% in his senior year thing doesn't matter since you get their peak year. That was my understanding and my reasoning for picking Boone and Oriakhi.

I was going with his junior year where he shot 47.8% from 3, had 26 double digit games and 7 20 point games and finished second on the team in scoring averaging 14 a game

 

[intlzncster]

The 37% in his senior year thing doesn't matter since you get their peak year. That was my understanding and my reasoning for picking Boone and Oriakhi.

I get what you are saying, but we found out who Mouring was in his senior year, when he had to be relied upon as (one of )'the guy'. So his ceiling was effectively a great 6th man.

It's not simply a pure statistical exercise.

 

[intlzncster]

I was going with his junior year where he shot 47.8% from 3, had 26 double digit games and 7 20 point games and finished second on the team in scoring averaging 14 a game

Husky, what stuck out about the pick was how damn good your team was up until that pick. It's still a great team, but it could have been unbeatable.

I get what you are saying about the stats, but you have to look at it like: if you put Mouring up against Tony Robertson, who would win that matchup. I think most people would say TR. I think TR would eat Mouring's lunch on both ends of the floor.

 

[Husky15]

Husky, what stuck out about the pick was how damn good your team was up until that pick. It's still a great team, but it could have been unbeatable.

I get what you are saying about the stats, but you have to look at it like: if you put Mouring up against Tony Robertson, who would win that matchup. I think most people would say TR. I think TR would eat Mouring's lunch on both ends of the floor.

I understand that, Robertson would have been a better pick in retrospect, I think I thought he was already taken or just didn't think of him for some reason, but regardless I don't think Mouring is far behind Robertson at all and my team should be tough to matchup with

 

[PcketknfNiels]

I get what you are saying, but we found out who Mouring was in his senior year, when he had to be relied upon as (one of )'the guy'. So his ceiling was effectively a great 6th man.

It's not simply a pure statistical exercise.

Okay, and on what team is he going to be "the guy" and not a complimentary shooter? Is he going to be "the guy" on my team when I've got Ray and Smith? Of course not.

But this kind of (mostly) is a statistical exercise, that was the leading consideration for most picks anyone made.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

I was going with his junior year where he shot 47.8% from 3, had 26 double digit games and 7 20 point games and finished second on the team in scoring averaging 14 a game

Yeah that's what I picked him for too. You better believe my team will be running some Smith Mouring Ray Daniels spread, good luck stopping that.

 

[jleves]

I understand that, Robertson would have been a better pick in retrospect, I think I thought he was already taken or just didn't think of him for some reason, but regardless I don't think Mouring is far behind Robertson at all and my team should be tough to matchup with

If you wanted a pure shooter to make clutch threes to compliment your team - Anderson over Mouring all day long.

 

[Tenspro2002]

If you wanted a pure shooter to make clutch threes to compliment your team - Anderson over Mouring all day long.

And yet my Rashad pick at #33 (over Mouring and others) was lampooned as the worst pick in Game 2.

 

[intlzncster]

If you wanted a pure shooter to make clutch threes to compliment your team - Anderson over Mouring all day long.

But Robertson has similar 3pt shooting stats to Rashad. If you want clutch, then it's Rash. TR hit 3pters at a similar clip though.

And his 2pt% is definitely better than Rashad's.

 

[jleves]

And yet my Rashad pick at #33 (over Mouring and others) was lampooned as the worst pick in Game 2.

I think the general idea is neither is the best pick there (at least in game 1 based on the team). There were better players and one or both of those two should have been available later. It also has something to do with what you already had. And it's only one person so far who has a problem with the pick - hardly lampooned.

This is supposed to be fun guys, not a why did you do that to me kind of thing. The games will play out and you'll have your chance to tell us why your team is better.

#uconnproblems

 

[intlzncster]

And yet my Rashad pick at #33 (over Mouring and others) was lampooned as the worst pick in Game 2.

Yeah, I got to disagree with Jleves on the pure shooter thing. See my reply to your post in the other thread.

I don't think Rash is a better pure shooter. I think he's a better clutch 3pt shooter.

 

[Tenspro2002]

I think the general idea is neither is the best pick there (at least in game 1 based on the team). There were better players and one or both of those two should have been available later.

Yeah, the problem for my picks in particular was that "later" had 15 intervening picks. I pretty much assumed that whoever I wanted at that given time wouldn't be available at my next opportunity.

 

[jleves]

*EDIT*

Apparently the last pick in the thread was lost in the shuffle. However, having never heard of the player,Mike KcKay, before, I don't know if I'm the Mt Everest of stupid or the pick is. (remember guys - this is fun and nothing is meant personally).

 

[Matrim55]

*EDIT*

Apparently the last pick in the thread was lost in the shuffle. However, having never heard of the player,Mike KcKay, before, I don't know if I'm the Mt Everest of stupid or the pick is. (remember guys - this is fun and nothing is meant personally).

McKay was awesome. Slashing wing player who competed like a madman on both sides of the ball, and would be an asset for anybody's team.

He came into the program with Corny Thompson and was the leading scorer over those 4 years, which featured 4 postseason berths (1 NCAA, 3 NIT). I was and remain a big fan.

Knocks against him were lack of an outside shot and lack of elite athleticism. Also wasn't a great passer, but UConn unfortunately hasn't had a lot of great passers at that spot.

Think of him as Denham Brown with more brains.

 

[jleves]

McKay was awesome. Slashing wing player who competed like a madman on both sides of the ball, and would be an asset for anybody's team.

He came into the program with Corny Thompson and was the leading scorer over those 4 years, which featured 4 postseason berths (1 NCAA, 3 NIT). I was and remain a big fan.

Knocks against him were lack of an outside shot and lack of elite athleticism. Also wasn't a great passer, but UConn unfortunately hasn't had a lot of great passers at that spot.

Think of him as Denham Brown with more brains.

Nice to know. Good information. Thanks. I think I'll be the Mt Whitney of stupid.

 

[intlzncster]

McKay was awesome. Slashing wing player who competed like a madman on both sides of the ball, and would be an asset for anybody's team.

He came into the program with Corny Thompson and was the leading scorer over those 4 years, which featured 4 postseason berths (1 NCAA, 3 NIT). I was and remain a big fan.

Knocks against him were lack of an outside shot and lack of elite athleticism. Also wasn't a great passer, but UConn unfortunately hasn't had a lot of great passers at that spot.

Think of him as Denham Brown with more brains.

That's one of the tough things about this exercise. When you haven't seen a player. You went with all pre 2000 players. Only guy I didn't see was Earl Kelly. It'll be hard (impossible?) for me to evaluate him against another team.

I love the Ricky pick. He's one of the keys to this draft imo. He can guard Bazz/Kemba which is a huge factor.

I'm surprised Boatright didn't land on a team in the 7th round. He's got the same value.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

That's one of the tough things about this exercise. When you haven't seen a player. You went with all pre 2000 players. Only guy I didn't see was Earl Kelly. It'll be hard (impossible?) for me to evaluate him against another team.

I love the Ricky pick. He's one of the keys to this draft imo. He can guard Bazz/Kemba which is a huge factor.

I'm surprised Boatright didn't land on a team in the 7th round. He's got the same value.

Did Boat honestly not get drafted in game 1? That's horrible if true.