Forde article makes Roy Williams look stupid. Ouch!

[mcs333]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basket...f-forde_midwest_region_self_kansas_win_032512

Supports the theory that Roy is only a very good recruiter and a below average game coach.

 

[jleves]

Self’s lockdown of the Tar Heels was so crafty that Ol’ Roy literally had no idea what hit him. It was a triangle-and-two defense, playing man-to-man on Carolina shooters Harrison Barnes and Reggie Bullock and zoning point guard Stilman White and big men Tyler Zeller and John Henson. The junk defense shut down the Heels’ prolific offense as Kansas pulled away in the final eight minutes to win 80-67. Carolina scored just three points in the final 8:34.​

I asked Williams what impact the triangle-and-two had on his team. His answer was stunning.​

“I know they did for one possession, and they may have for another possession,” Williams said. “I’m not sure about that.”​

Williams clearly was unsure because from press row it looked like the Jayhawks played the triangle-and-two for nearly half of the final 20 minutes. The Jayhawks confirmed that they played the combo defense for the final eight or nine minutes.​

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Kind of funny if that is correct. He didn't recognize the defense for over 8 minutes? That's sad. Even after it was over - very sad.​

Roy may be a very bad in game coach. ​

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[Kitaman]

Kind of funny if that is correct. He didn't recognize the defense for over 8 minutes? That's sad. Even after it was over - very sad.​

Roy may be a very bad in game coach. ​

You would think that the assistants would even recognize it and point that out. Its a failure on the whole staff, especially Roy.

 

[DogMania]

I only got to see parts of the game, but the few plays I saw at the end, I was scratching my head as to why their 3rd string PG was taking any shots down the stretch. The play late when he drove the lane and got snuffed out, I couldn't figure out why he wasn't looking to kick it to someone. I'd have to take a closer look but it seems that UNC should have spread the floor and drive the players that were being zoned into the pain while running some sort of play to get their shooters to move to open spots ready to receive the ball. It wasn't like KU was letting guys get clear looks at the basket once they got into the paint. They were closing in on the plays I saw and somehow the Heels should have been able to free at least one of their scorers in those situations.

It definitely sounds like Roy and his staff completely failed to make any adjustments to counter what Self was doing, especially based on what both coaches said. Now setting that aside, I'm sure it's not easy to teach young players on the fly to do something they haven't done all season, but that's what it takes to survive and advance.

 

[Cheddie]

Supports the theory that Roy is only a very good recruiter and a below average game coach.

I think that's been Roy's rep going back to Kansas. He's certainly had some amazingly talented teams that fell short.

 

[uc1974]

Roy's teams win on talent, not coaching. If they face a team with equal talent and a coach who can coach, they often lose. Apparently, his assistants are lightweights or he doesn't listen to them. Too bad, so sad. If KY loses in the FF it'll be for the same reason. The Squid recruits but isn't exactly a brilliant game coach either.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

This article just makes me dislike Pat Forde more than I already do. The idea that a coaching staff at the absolute pinnacle of college basketball would be unable to recognize a basic junk defense is absurd. It's a cutesie little story from a fat headed moron that's probably exaggeration and mischaracterization.

Carolina was playing with a glorified walk-on at point guard. That seems relevant to me. If some of you can explain away the George Mason loss as the product of UConn's "lack of a secondary ball handler" surely the fact that Stillman White was running point for Carolina should be a consideration here.

 

[aceboon]

pretty much, White looked like someone who won a contest to play PG for UNC for a game. I love how he buries "North Carolina may as well have won this game with Marshall playing..." in the article as a throw away line, like its irrelevant that arguably the best PG in CBB didn't play in the game, and their backup was on the bench in dress clothes as well. I'm not a fan of Roy but everyone who saw UNC last year knew that offense wasn't going to run w/o a PG in there.

This article just makes me dislike Pat Forde more than I already do. The idea that a coaching staff at the absolute pinnacle of college basketball would be unable to recognize a basic junk defense is absurd. It's a cutesie little story from a fat headed moron that's probably exaggeration and mischaracterization.

Carolina was playing with a glorified walk-on at point guard. That seems relevant to me. If some of you can explain away the George Mason loss as the product of UConn's "lack of a secondary ball handler" surely the fact that Stillman White was running point for Carolina should be a consideration here.

 

[nomar]

Sorry, I missed the part where Kendall Marshall didn't break his hand.

Not a huge Roy Williams fan but it's a dumb article. They had Ollie from Hoosiers playing the point at the end.

If Thomas Robinson broke his hand before the game would Forde have written some article about how bad a coach Self is?

Forde sucks. I really, really don't like him. He seems like a very not-nice person and his insight is minimal.

 

[Excalibur]

His point regarding the Triangle and Two is irrelevant. It's pretty much universally accepted that you run your man to man offenses against a box + 1 or triangle +2 anyway. They wouldn't have played it any different.

 

[mauconnfan]

I only got to see parts of the game, but the few plays I saw at the end, I was scratching my head as to why their 3rd string PG was taking any shots down the stretch. The play late when he drove the lane and got snuffed out, I couldn't figure out why he wasn't looking to kick it to someone. I'd have to take a closer look but it seems that UNC should have spread the floor and drive the players that were being zoned into the pain while running some sort of play to get their shooters to move to open spots ready to receive the ball. It wasn't like KU was letting guys get clear looks at the basket once they got into the paint. They were closing in on the plays I saw and somehow the Heels should have been able to free at least one of their scorers in those situations.

It definitely sounds like Roy and his staff completely failed to make any adjustments to counter what Self was doing, especially based on what both coaches said. Now setting that aside, I'm sure it's not easy to teach young players on the fly to do something they haven't done all season, but that's what it takes to survive and advance.

Thought the kid White played pretty damn good considering the fire he was thrown into......the time he was snuffed out when he went to the hole he tried to give it to Bullock who threw it back and to Zeller who also threw it back and the clock was running down he had to do soemthing noone else would....reminded me of Bazz a few times when people here got on him...............overall the kid was good and I'd be fine with him on my team..............

I thought Roy had no answers down the stretch he looked lost and it's usually Self so if Mr Bill outcoached him, WOW

 

[UCweCONN]

Williams said at the postgame press conference that he got out-coached. At least he realized that. That's gotta make Kansas boosters happy and UNC's.... not so much.

 

[mcs333]

Remember UNC almost lost to Ohio . They were completely out coached.

 

[EROCK CONN]

It must be tough to win when you have offspring of Martin Short playing as your teams point guard.

As for Roy Williams, I think he's the best recruiter in the country; The 97 Kansas team was the best team in the modern era to not win a title, and his teams at UNC are always loaded. But his teams consistently underperform in the tournament which could be tough to understand as they do have two titles and three final fours in the last six years.

Nothing earth shattering here.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Remember UNC almost lost to Ohio . They were completely out coached.

If that guy on Ohio makes the free throw on the and-1, they win that game and become the first 13-seed or lower to make the Elite 8. Conversely, UNC joins Duke and Missouri in infamy.

I would have loved to see Kansas with the opportunity to blow another Elite 8 as a tremendous favorite.

 

[sparky]

Before the game I said to my buddy that if it was possible both Self and Roy could find a way to lose. I believe that both coaches have had superior talent over the years, but have trouble closing the deal. Roy is as bad a game coach as was Bobby Cremmins.

 

[Robertelamin]

Roy is a bad coach. Always has been and always will. But Forde picked the worst possible time to write this. Take away Kemba and El-Amin and UConn doesn't sniff a championship either. Maybe the 2004 team could have won without Taliek but I doubt it.

 

[HuskyFan32]

Bill Self has been outcoached all the time in the tournament. The team that lost to Northern Iowa was completely stacked. As was last years team. Bill Self isnt exactly a model for a coach doing more with less. His teams get upset as often as any coach's.

 

[dogfan96]

And people on this board were saying Kendall Marshall is overrated... he isn't that good.. blah, blah.. Kendall Marshall makes that offense run. When he's out there, they get layups, dunks, and uncontested 3s. When he's not, they can score because they have talent but it's a grind... especially on important possessions.

 

[Robertelamin]

And people on this board were saying Kendall Marshall is overrated... he isn't that good.. blah, blah.. Kendall Marshall makes that offense run. When he's out there, they get layups, dunks, and uncontested 3s. When he's not, they can score because they have talent but it's a grind... especially on important possessions.

I can't recall anyone on this board saying he was overrated. Harrison Barnes yes, Kendall Marshall no.

 

[caw]

I can't recall anyone on this board saying he was overrated. Harrison Barnes yes, Kendall Marshall no.

I may have said he is overrated. That doesn't mean I don't think he is a great college PG.

I would have serious reservations about drafting in the NBA though.

 

[zls44]

I know Self has three bad NCAA losses, but you can't look at his history at three jobs and dispute his coaching excellence. KU did the right thing sticking with him after the back-to-back bad first round losses, a rarity in this day and age for an elite program. If UNC or UK had lost Bucknell/Bradley back-to-back years? Good heavens! Fire everyone!

Self's got a title in two NC game appearances (Illinois 2005 was 100% his team, Weber is a clown) and three Final Fours. And eight straight regular-season titles in a top four conference.

The guy is an excellent coach. This team only reinforces that.