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Message: [QUOTE="mauconnfan, post: 3937856, member: 489"] Yep this^^ I always looked up to the guys who had that pretty draw off the tee on 1 but lived with a slight fade until around my late 40's. Not it's rare it hit the ball right but do have the occasional ducks cooking like the other day. I do use the stance you speak of for the draw when needing to do so from behind or in the trees or alike, it does work. If I did that off the tee I would never be in play I'd over indulge my draw time and time again but as we say, we all have something that works. For someone trying to get away from a cut or slice the closed stance can be of assistance. [/QUOTE]