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Message: [QUOTE="MadDogRevival, post: 2354195, member: 8028"] Disagree wholeheartedly on this. Miller was very athletic - he just didn't have a complete skill set. So-so ball handling, so-so passing, so-so shot. Where he thrived was using his athleticism to overcome his lack of skills to get boards, play D, and the like. Regarding "fast twitch" muscle fiber, those huge fat guys who are olympic power lifters? Most can all stand under a hoop, jump straight up, and dunk. It's not all about fast twitch. But speaking of that, Shonn Miller had quick ups. Like Stan. Kwintin? I'm not sure. We'll see come game time. Max vertical is a useful measure, no doubt, but some guys (think Rodman) just have a quicker leap, independent of max vertical. [/QUOTE]